FP green turbo worth the price?
alright- here is a compare that i geeked togother of a know fp-grn on 91 oct, 21 psi, 272 cams, weapon r intake, 65mm tb, ecu flashed WITH A SLIPPING CLUTCH
50trim, 280 cams, aem ems, 23 psi on 93 oct.
this graphis too just illustrate boost respone...too bad charlie had a slipping clutch on his fp-grn run.
2 different dyno's, 2 different days, for all i know charlie parks his unit on the right while the 50 trim guy parks his on the left.
50trim, 280 cams, aem ems, 23 psi on 93 oct.
this graphis too just illustrate boost respone...too bad charlie had a slipping clutch on his fp-grn run.
2 different dyno's, 2 different days, for all i know charlie parks his unit on the right while the 50 trim guy parks his on the left.
alright- here is a compare that i geeked togother of a know fp-grn on 91 oct, 21 psi, 272 cams, weapon r intake, 65mm tb, ecu flashed WITH A SLIPPING CLUTCH
50trim, 280 cams, aem ems, 23 psi on 93 oct.
this graphis too just illustrate boost respone...too bad charlie had a slipping clutch on his fp-grn run.
2 different dyno's, 2 different days, for all i know charlie parks his unit on the right while the 50 trim guy parks his on the left.
50trim, 280 cams, aem ems, 23 psi on 93 oct.
this graphis too just illustrate boost respone...too bad charlie had a slipping clutch on his fp-grn run.
2 different dyno's, 2 different days, for all i know charlie parks his unit on the right while the 50 trim guy parks his on the left.
Still nice to prove a point. Like Buschur said, these turbo's are almost identical. No point in wasting money on 50 trim. Get a Green if that's what you want.
Jason
Everyone likes data so here are a bunch of FPgreen and 50trims from our mustang dyno in various states of tune and octane:
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FP green, Evo 8, Cams, stock unported exhaust manifold and 02 housing, 26psi (ecu-controlled boost) 100oct aggressive street tune:
Same Evo as above, 24psi (ecu-controlled boost), 100oct semi-conservative street tune:
BB 50trim, Turbonetics cast manifold, Evo8, Cams, 24.5 psi (MBC) 110oct open track conservative tune:
FPgreen evo from above VS. BB 50trim Evo above. Of course this is not apples to oranges because of the different state of tunes and octane but it's a good overlay to show response differences:
AMS 50trim kit, Evo9, Cosworth cams, 22psi, 91 oct street tune:
AMS 50trim kit, Evo9, Cosworth cams, 25psi, 91 oct + meth street tune:
FPgreen, Evo8, cams, ported exhaust, 02 housing, 100cell HFC, 21.5 psi, 91 oct street tune:
FPgreen, Evo8, cams, ported exhaust, 02 housing, 100cell HFC, 24.5 psi, 100 oct street tune:
FPgreen, Evo8, cams ported everything, 26psi, 100 oct autox tune:
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FP green, Evo 8, Cams, stock unported exhaust manifold and 02 housing, 26psi (ecu-controlled boost) 100oct aggressive street tune:
Same Evo as above, 24psi (ecu-controlled boost), 100oct semi-conservative street tune:
BB 50trim, Turbonetics cast manifold, Evo8, Cams, 24.5 psi (MBC) 110oct open track conservative tune:
FPgreen evo from above VS. BB 50trim Evo above. Of course this is not apples to oranges because of the different state of tunes and octane but it's a good overlay to show response differences:
AMS 50trim kit, Evo9, Cosworth cams, 22psi, 91 oct street tune:
AMS 50trim kit, Evo9, Cosworth cams, 25psi, 91 oct + meth street tune:
FPgreen, Evo8, cams, ported exhaust, 02 housing, 100cell HFC, 21.5 psi, 91 oct street tune:
FPgreen, Evo8, cams, ported exhaust, 02 housing, 100cell HFC, 24.5 psi, 100 oct street tune:
FPgreen, Evo8, cams ported everything, 26psi, 100 oct autox tune:
Thanks for the graphs. Obviously shows the Green shines prior to 5K RPM's and 50 trim has the edge past that point. Preverance on the owner.
I would rather spend $1000 to upgrade my 9 turbo than $3500 for a 50trim. But with the 50Trim kit, you have the opportunity to upgrade to a larger size turbo later down the line (depending on the manufacturer).
Jason
I would rather spend $1000 to upgrade my 9 turbo than $3500 for a 50trim. But with the 50Trim kit, you have the opportunity to upgrade to a larger size turbo later down the line (depending on the manufacturer).
Jason
Thanks for your feedback though.
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I would have to disagree with this statement! I am not going to knock the green at all because I do think it is a great turbo but I am going to say that seriously to many people are jumping on "the green is the greatest turbo ever and makes so much power". If you took the same cars that are making so much maxed out power on them and put a GT3071R, 50 trim or 3076 on it the car would make more power. Bigger turbo=more power. So many of these threads are about greens with every susporting mod posible and running boost that peaks real high (which is were there max whp is) and then falls 2-4 or more psi before it gets to the end. If you absolutly maxed out one of these other turbos I think you would be surprised at what they would be capable of too!!
Also to the guy with the green that says he would be at the end of the track by the time the other turbos would be boosted........thats funny!! At a 6,000rpm launch and shifting at over 7,500rpm I don't think the other turbo's are going to drop out of there power band at all. Talking about track not a "interstate roll on"!!
Not trying to start an argument just saying I don't think that most of the references are apples to apples!!
Also to the guy with the green that says he would be at the end of the track by the time the other turbos would be boosted........thats funny!! At a 6,000rpm launch and shifting at over 7,500rpm I don't think the other turbo's are going to drop out of there power band at all. Talking about track not a "interstate roll on"!!
Not trying to start an argument just saying I don't think that most of the references are apples to apples!!
I think I may be on the extreme side of the green turbo. But, when people are deciding between a few turbos I think its good to show them the full potential of the turbo when pushed to the max. Its then up to them if they want to push it that far or not.
Hey, not too bad of an analogy OKIX. Also, keep in mind that just because 2 turbos have similar flow characteristics at a given psi, doesn't mean that both of them can be pushed to higher elevations of psi and remain similar in flow. That's whuy the efficiency range comes in to play. The 50 trim, from what I've read, can NOT be pushed to the psi levels of the Green. I stand to be corrected, but if it can, why aren't we seeing it at the track?
I would have to disagree with this statement! I am not going to knock the green at all because I do think it is a great turbo but I am going to say that seriously to many people are jumping on "the green is the greatest turbo ever and makes so much power". If you took the same cars that are making so much maxed out power on them and put a GT3071R, 50 trim or 3076 on it the car would make more power. Bigger turbo=more power. So many of these threads are about greens with every susporting mod posible and running boost that peaks real high (which is were there max whp is) and then falls 2-4 or more psi before it gets to the end. If you absolutly maxed out one of these other turbos I think you would be surprised at what they would be capable of too!!
Not trying to start an argument just saying I don't think that most of the references are apples to apples!!
Not trying to start an argument just saying I don't think that most of the references are apples to apples!!
I understand what you are saying, but I still disagree. I dont see too many guys with 50trims, 3076s, or 3071s with half *** setups. Pretty much everyone who has a Green, 50trim or any GT30 has full bolt-ons, cams, and most it seems have meth to boot. I think its a very fair comparison. Its just hard to deny the track times the Greens are putting down, and the fact that regardless if the 50 trim makes 20whp more up top, it doesnt seem to be doing much for it at the track or on the street, which is evident by the high traps the Greens are putting out. In fact, Ive yet to see a GT30 or 50trim nail 127,128 and even 130mph traps the Green has done on 3 different cars in the last couple months. I dont care about dyno numbers, because thats they are. I beat a lot of cars with more "whp" than mine.
Here's my conclusion: Exhaust porting and aftermarket O2 housings don't seem to make a difference.
Everyone likes data so here are a bunch of FPgreen and 50trims from our mustang dyno in various states of tune and octane:
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FP green, Evo 8, Cams, stock unported exhaust manifold and 02 housing, 26psi (ecu-controlled boost) 100oct aggressive street tune:
Same Evo as above, 24psi (ecu-controlled boost), 100oct semi-conservative street tune:
FPgreen, Evo8, cams, ported exhaust, 02 housing, 100cell HFC, 24.5 psi, 100 oct street tune:
FPgreen, Evo8, cams ported everything, 26psi, 100 oct autox tune:
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FP green, Evo 8, Cams, stock unported exhaust manifold and 02 housing, 26psi (ecu-controlled boost) 100oct aggressive street tune:
Same Evo as above, 24psi (ecu-controlled boost), 100oct semi-conservative street tune:
FPgreen, Evo8, cams, ported exhaust, 02 housing, 100cell HFC, 24.5 psi, 100 oct street tune:
FPgreen, Evo8, cams ported everything, 26psi, 100 oct autox tune:
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That would be the case with S2000s which have a stock rear drivetrain. My S2000 has (or is in the process of getting) an inlinePRO R200 rear conversion kit. It consists of: R200 rear diff (Nissan 300zx non-turbo), DSS Stage 5 driveshaft, DSS Stage 5 axles, upgraded hubs with ARP extended wheels studs, and inlinePRO mounting brackets. This setup is good for 1000hp.
Thanks for your feedback though.
Thanks for your feedback though.
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now back on topic....
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nice for a civic, but i dont see how 230whp there would beat a stock ix ... all the ones i have dyno'd are at least 250 to 270 on our mustang here....
With the suspension mods, id say at best its debatable. The evo comes with a pretty decent setup from the factory.... a IX MR would probably make it a pretty decent test
With the suspension mods, id say at best its debatable. The evo comes with a pretty decent setup from the factory.... a IX MR would probably make it a pretty decent test