Forced Performance Evo Red Turbo data
hindsight is 20/20
not everyone can afford to wait, some people are in the middle of a build and need a turbo soon, and if they are told a turbo is not coming out, or its not gonna be out for at least 6 months, then they need to find another solution
maybe you can enlighten everyone else since you are omnipotent??? what is next? an FP violet that flows 100lbs/min and gets full spool at 7 rpm???
not everyone can afford to wait, some people are in the middle of a build and need a turbo soon, and if they are told a turbo is not coming out, or its not gonna be out for at least 6 months, then they need to find another solution
maybe you can enlighten everyone else since you are omnipotent??? what is next? an FP violet that flows 100lbs/min and gets full spool at 7 rpm???
And if I had to guess at FP's next creation, I would say they are going to convert the DSM Red and Green over to Evo X use and jazz them up with their new HTA technology and POSSIBLY re-release the HTA versions for the old DSM-ers if it's easy to do. I don't think we'll see another specific Evo VIII/IX turbo from them for a while, if at all.
A few things. FP or any other company has NO responsibility to tell ANYONE what projects they are working on or what else is coming. Trade secrets keep the companies who actually develop parts in business, it's bad enough having companies trying to copy you AFTER you've made the part, getting them copied before they are done would require a rope and tall tree.
We've been running the Red on Trent's car for close to two months. He loves it, says it is the smoothest turbo he has ever driven.
His car is full built, as in full built. It ran 10.0 at 140+ mph on a 35r and he sold his 35r kit and decided to slow it down. Now he's got this new Red and has ran a 10.9 at 124 mph with it. That was done on straight 93 octane fuel, 28 psi, AEM EMS, BF272's and everything else we offer, also run on slicks.
I've said this before and I'll say it again and it is not meant to be rude. If you want to know what the car runs with a mix match of crap and a stock ECU you are not going to get those results from us because that's not how we do things. If you parts and tuning suck then even with a Red on the car it is going to suck. No turbo is going to fix your poor choices.
Trent's car made 410 on 93 octane on our dyno. I was no leaning on the car when I tuned it. I'm fairly certain it has another 20 whp in it. Trent's pretty fired up to get it back on the dyno and take it back to the track after seeing what we've made with Tom's car.
The turbo is available. There are about 15 of them that can ship within a week or two. The price is $1795. Anyone that wants one can order from us, just give us a call. We sold quite a few today, if FP sold some the availability has to be getting short already.
Bottom line is the turbo made 530 running it on an ideal combination. Go from there with your calculations. No matter how you look at it the Red made about 100 more whp than the Green on basically the same combination and the same car. Don't fool yourself though, 530 is not something many other EVO's are going to make on this turbo on our dyno, this was done on a bad ***, no excuses EVO.
We've been running the Red on Trent's car for close to two months. He loves it, says it is the smoothest turbo he has ever driven.
His car is full built, as in full built. It ran 10.0 at 140+ mph on a 35r and he sold his 35r kit and decided to slow it down. Now he's got this new Red and has ran a 10.9 at 124 mph with it. That was done on straight 93 octane fuel, 28 psi, AEM EMS, BF272's and everything else we offer, also run on slicks.
I've said this before and I'll say it again and it is not meant to be rude. If you want to know what the car runs with a mix match of crap and a stock ECU you are not going to get those results from us because that's not how we do things. If you parts and tuning suck then even with a Red on the car it is going to suck. No turbo is going to fix your poor choices.
Trent's car made 410 on 93 octane on our dyno. I was no leaning on the car when I tuned it. I'm fairly certain it has another 20 whp in it. Trent's pretty fired up to get it back on the dyno and take it back to the track after seeing what we've made with Tom's car.
The turbo is available. There are about 15 of them that can ship within a week or two. The price is $1795. Anyone that wants one can order from us, just give us a call. We sold quite a few today, if FP sold some the availability has to be getting short already.
Bottom line is the turbo made 530 running it on an ideal combination. Go from there with your calculations. No matter how you look at it the Red made about 100 more whp than the Green on basically the same combination and the same car. Don't fool yourself though, 530 is not something many other EVO's are going to make on this turbo on our dyno, this was done on a bad ***, no excuses EVO.
Can we send them into you or FP? I paid $500 for a 9 turbo last year with everything included and don't want to have to worry about re-selling it.
How much to convert my 9 into the RED? What is the time frame?
Thanks
jason
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They are not converting the IX turbo to the red..when i talkd to them on the phone today they said "were still trying to figure it out"...so if u want a red ur gona have to pay the $1700
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Does this turbo surge?
Consider the fact that the Red uses the same compressor wheel as the HTA3076, which comes with a shrouded compressor housing to combat surge, but the machined IX housing does not. Shouldn't this be a recipe for some major surge?
Consider the fact that the Red uses the same compressor wheel as the HTA3076, which comes with a shrouded compressor housing to combat surge, but the machined IX housing does not. Shouldn't this be a recipe for some major surge?
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yup i was pretty depressed when i heard that to and the anweser they give me is "were still trying to figure that out" lol but i thnk it is well worth every penny of the 1800...
. Mhgsx, I was thinking the same, especially after some with the green have complained of minor surge. I'm sure though FP figured a way to remedy it, as I don't think they would put a surge ***** turbo out there, especially with all the testing they do (and BR).
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Also, not trying to drudge up the whole twin-scroll vs single scroll debate, but the Red on 9sec9's car seems to outspool the HTA3076 that Buschur tested.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...&postcount=187
vs.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...59&postcount=1
Look at how much more low-end torque is being made with the Red (300 lb/ft at ~3750 rpm) and this setup is supposedly not optimized for low rpm power. Couple the fact that this is a journal bearing turbo with machined housings that were never designed to used with larger a compressor and turbine. The turbo seems to almost be too good to be true.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...&postcount=187
vs.
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...59&postcount=1
Look at how much more low-end torque is being made with the Red (300 lb/ft at ~3750 rpm) and this setup is supposedly not optimized for low rpm power. Couple the fact that this is a journal bearing turbo with machined housings that were never designed to used with larger a compressor and turbine. The turbo seems to almost be too good to be true.
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plain and simple this is going to be one hell of a turbo iam ordering this and CBRD's BBK turbo and witch ever one works better wit my setup is the one im keeping..the BBK turbo is alot cheaper but we well see what kind of power each makes
, but we'll see.
Is it just me or does this sound like a ton of money for a turbo of that size. A few companies sell 35r kits in the 3000$ range and you have the potential for way more power as well as lots more on pump gas. Guess I'm just not easily impressed.
this is more like a 30r kit. can't really compare it to a 35r. This is at least 1k cheaper than any 30r kit.
1. The stock 9 turd cost about $700 from
, so your technically paying $1100 for the upgrade. or2. You can add $1500 more and get a 35R kit.
Thats y everyone is asking how much to convert there 9 into the RED. It would be cheaper. I would figure around $1000 to do that. Sounds like a better deal.
Would love for someone to post #'s with basic setup. lag? mmmm