As far as Question 3. Did you follow the information on Trent's car? His car has the stock UNPORTED version of the RED and is being run on pump gas. A lot of the information is now out there.

 

Those are questions only you, your car, and your tuner can answer. Some people will get everything out of it, and some will underachieve.

 

Just two questions for now.

Price to upgrade an IX turbo?

What kind of P/R can this turbo run without putting shaft speed through the roof?

 

they've been hinting at development for months though - some of us that were paying attention knew something was up.

its obvious FP was not planning on having this turbo ready to release with data till the end of the year.

It's too bad some people made decisions now - because FP told them the turbo was not going to be available soon. It really wasn't supposed to be. It's just as much the customer's fault for not reading the writing on the wall. You can't exactly blame FP for releasing a turbo early.

 

How is it obvious? What are you referring to?

 

i'm referring to people asking FP directly if it will be released.


or how about that there is no data? or that they only have parts to make 15 turbos? (just a guess)

 

FP did exactly what anyone else would do. Like someone else said, there dammed if they do, and dammed if they dont. I would rather **** off say 10 customers rather then 200.

And for all the people wanting details and results, im sure they are coming, but remember this is only day 2. So everyone take a deep breath and calm down.

 

I'm one of the people who got "burned" by FP...had a Green on order for 3 months and nada, no info, no turbo, nothing. Never doubted their products for a second but at the time the waiting drove me absolutely nuts so I know what it's like to be feeling trigger-happy.

BUT NOW...well, let's just say that all is forgiven and then some. They have indeed been some pretty busy boys over @ FP and BOY have they delivered - beyond anyone's wildest expectaions I'd say! In retrospect, it can't have been easy developing TWO new turbos while running a company like FP does since they're not exactly a mega-corporation like HKS or something after all.

So yes although I feel kinda bad for the guys who pulled the trigger on something else, well, that's just the way it goes with anything really. Close the deal on an IX the day they announce the X etc.

I'm actually very glad for the Green delay I experienced now that the understandign has kicked in..because suddenly there's 3 amazing bolt-on turbos to choose from to complete my setup!! Each one specifically optimized to work in a certain way - just pick the best one for you, bolt on and enjoy!

Like alot of ppl, I'm scratching my wallet and my head's spinning.

Good stuff from FP - **** happens, whatever - all I can say now is that I am MAJORLY impressed with these guys.

 

The key thing is that they can't lie to a customer about the status of the Red and then sell them something else. It's one thing if they told the truth, to the best of their knowledge, about the Red's status and then it changed; but, it's quite another if they knowingly misled customers and then sold them another product to get the quick sale on the current product. That would be illegal.

 

Go grab dave by the ear and let's see some dyno plots of that car!

 

If you have never done the R&D required to design and produce such a product, I don't know if I would be saying much. I understand being upset about something newer and better being put out directly on top of what you just bought. But it happens.

If you have a Green waiting to be built, why not call FP and see if they would change the order to a Red?

If you bought a Green, got it three days ago and haven't installed it, I bet you can sell it for what you paid for it, or very close right now.

If you have a green with 500 miles on it and want the latest and greatest, you might eat a whole $150 on the upgrade. Big deal. If it drops the price of a used green to $500, then I can understand the anger, but I highly doubt that will be the case. After all, there is still a HUGE number of DSMs with Greens and they STILL sell for the same price they did like 5 years ago.

FP's products are like Toyotas, astonishing resale and impressive build quailty with proven reliability that just about nobody can touch.

 

well crap...I have a 35r at FP right now being converted to an HTA35R...should I stick with that turbo or go with this red??? hmm I would like to see a compare of the two like Dave did with the HTA3076 vs the HTA35R

 

the only thing that would have killed the resale value of a green was the release of a HTA green. I don't see the EVORed affecting the resale value of the green that much.

 

The FP Red and the HTA35R are solutions to completely different goals.

The FP Red bolts on to the stock manifold. It keeps the stock appearance. It is a journal bearing turbo. It makes 56-60+ lbs/minute on the right car. It uses the 76HTA compressor wheel, which is the same compressor wheel as is in the 3076HTA -- although it's mated to a different turbine wheel and a different hot side casting, you can consider some general information about the performance of the 76HTA wheel from the other tests...

The 35RHTA will make 700+HP, which is well above the range of the Red. It requires a manifold with a T3 or T4 flange. It's spool and other performance characteristics are different than the Red, and you have to consider all the characteristics of the turbos to decide which one meets your needs.

You just pick what fits best with your $ to spend and your goals for the car you're building...

 

I agree...especially since the green can be converted into a red...or so I assume.^^