Forced Performance Evo Red Turbo data
The FP Red and the HTA35R are solutions to completely different goals.
The FP Red bolts on to the stock manifold. It keeps the stock appearance. It is a journal bearing turbo. It makes 56-60+ lbs/minute on the right car. It uses the 76HTA compressor wheel, which is the same compressor wheel as is in the 3076HTA -- although it's mated to a different turbine wheel and a different hot side casting, you can consider some general information about the performance of the 76HTA wheel from the other tests...
The 35RHTA will make 700+HP, which is well above the range of the Red. It requires a manifold with a T3 or T4 flange. It's spool and other performance characteristics are different than the Red, and you have to consider all the characteristics of the turbos to decide which one meets your needs.
You just pick what fits best with your $ to spend and your goals for the car you're building...
The FP Red bolts on to the stock manifold. It keeps the stock appearance. It is a journal bearing turbo. It makes 56-60+ lbs/minute on the right car. It uses the 76HTA compressor wheel, which is the same compressor wheel as is in the 3076HTA -- although it's mated to a different turbine wheel and a different hot side casting, you can consider some general information about the performance of the 76HTA wheel from the other tests...
The 35RHTA will make 700+HP, which is well above the range of the Red. It requires a manifold with a T3 or T4 flange. It's spool and other performance characteristics are different than the Red, and you have to consider all the characteristics of the turbos to decide which one meets your needs.
You just pick what fits best with your $ to spend and your goals for the car you're building...
The key thing is that they can't lie to a customer about the status of the Red and then sell them something else. It's one thing if they told the truth, to the best of their knowledge, about the Red's status and then it changed; but, it's quite another if they knowingly misled customers and then sold them another product to get the quick sale on the current product. That would be illegal.
Given the fact that FP stopped production of the Green for two months in order not to have anyone feel that they were sold a product while another was just around the corner (during the testing of the HTA 47lb Green prototype), your assumption does not hold water. If anything, FP could have sold many more Greens during that time, and chose not to do so. That's exactly the opposite of what you suggest.
No company is going to answer all of your questions about the status of products that are still in development, even if they have the information to do so. More commonly, that information is simply unavailable even to them, and continues to be developed when further testing is done, parts are delivered, etc. As the other threads have shown, FP was not ready to announce the Red when it came to light in the linked thread -- it was tested by 9sec9 and Buschur Racing and they posted the results -- not FP. Now there will be people who gripe because there are not 100 of them sitting on the shelf to buy, and they'll say "why did you announce it if you didn't have enough for everyone"? Or others say, "I waited two months, and mine just got delivered yesterday, but I want another option"... Either way, someone finds a way to be unhappy...
If you have a Green, you're ahead of the long line of people who want one. I expect that you'll find an easy market for a Green if you decide that you'd rather have another of the stock turbo options that FP will sell you.
It would be a better option to simply sell the Green, or trade it for a IX stock turbo plus $ and use the IX to send to FP for conversion into a Red.
Ok I see....I just thought if you have a green, and can deal with downtime, it would be possible to have the green conerted to a red. If not, I have an VIII 10.5 turbo sitting in my garage...I am guessing I could have that converted for a little more mulah than having a IX changed over to a red because of the compressor housing swap.
Given the fact that FP stopped production of the Green for two months in order not to have anyone feel that they were sold a product while another was just around the corner (during the testing of the HTA 47lb Green prototype), your assumption does not hold water. If anything, FP could have sold many more Greens during that time, and chose not to do so. That's exactly the opposite of what you suggest.
i just cant wait to open up my hood and say, "See i told you it was stock. Just look at that stock manifold"
The white and green still have their place. The turbos that may be in trouble now are 50 trims, 57 trims, 30r, and 3065's. People that buy those turbos are typically more interested in power and less with spool. The RED will do what they do at a much cheaper price. I could be wrong but i think the least expensive 50 trim kit is 2690 through ETS. RED 1799 vs 50 trim 2690. Difference of $890. Thats cams, injectors, and possibly a tune.
Pretty soon the internet will be littered with races of FP REDS vs GT35R's...
The white and green still have their place. The turbos that may be in trouble now are 50 trims, 57 trims, 30r, and 3065's. People that buy those turbos are typically more interested in power and less with spool. The RED will do what they do at a much cheaper price. I could be wrong but i think the least expensive 50 trim kit is 2690 through ETS. RED 1799 vs 50 trim 2690. Difference of $890. Thats cams, injectors, and possibly a tune.
Pretty soon the internet will be littered with races of FP REDS vs GT35R's...
Finally the turbo that I have been waiting for: a Red! From green to hta green and then comes white. So a red to hta red maybe in the future? Since it is using 76HTA blade should it be safe to assume that this is an HTA turbo? w/out the HTA designation on the name?
I don't wish to buy now and a better version comes in the near future.
Always a better version is coming but sooner or later I will make my decisoin because the wait is killing me.
I don't wish to buy now and a better version comes in the near future.
Always a better version is coming but sooner or later I will make my decisoin because the wait is killing me.
The key thing is that they can't lie to a customer about the status of the Red and then sell them something else. It's one thing if they told the truth, to the best of their knowledge, about the Red's status and then it changed; but, it's quite another if they knowingly misled customers and then sold them another product to get the quick sale on the current product. That would be illegal.
It sucks, but its the way it is.