AMS F1 vs Magnus V5
does some more through testing, boost data logging, part throttle response etc... its not all about peak power.
we have used hypertune, jmfab, Driven innovation, ams, buschur is going on our car now... etc... its more than just peak power and torque.
cb
we have used hypertune, jmfab, Driven innovation, ams, buschur is going on our car now... etc... its more than just peak power and torque.
cb
CBRD r u using a standalone ems? Just some FYI my Buschur IM is custom made with an adapter for the stock map sensor as I'm running stock ecu. I will call Buschur in a few to see what the eta is on shipping out my manifold.
david gave us the second manifold he built I believe, ive had it since his shootout, just havent had time to put it on,
i was very happy with the DI manifold though.
cb
Thanks Chad! It was the first design and I think it did very well against competition! I agree with you its not about peak power but the entire curve. Boost response is very important! Average HP and TQ would be a great addition to this test.
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Sharkbites car would be a good candidate but the best way to do it would be to not test these with the boost maxed out on race gas. Shark's car on race gas has the turbo pushed to just about its limits. If a turbo is at or near its limits then gains might not be as severe with the manifolds as the turbo is running out of steam.
The best way to do it would be test his car at a boost level that the turbo is well inside its efficiency range. Also boost would need to be consistent across all manifolds. To properly do this you would need to sample boost at the turbo. if you sample at the manifolds boost can be slightly off based on how the MAP sensor is reading boost from that specific spot on the manifold.
If you perform the test with that set of criteria in mind and log it properly it should be a pretty straight forward test.
I will say it will be a great deal of work.
Eric
The best way to do it would be test his car at a boost level that the turbo is well inside its efficiency range. Also boost would need to be consistent across all manifolds. To properly do this you would need to sample boost at the turbo. if you sample at the manifolds boost can be slightly off based on how the MAP sensor is reading boost from that specific spot on the manifold.
If you perform the test with that set of criteria in mind and log it properly it should be a pretty straight forward test.
I will say it will be a great deal of work.
Eric
I agree with this to a certain extent. Magnus states that their new V5 was made for top end power. I feel that there is a large enough community that have 600+ HP Evo's that would like to see a car pushed. I would like to see it pushed because that's I what I will be doing.
What can be done is maybe a two or three tier test. See which IM makes the best HP TQ from mid range all the way up and then see which one has the best top power made.
In the case of Sharks car we could say push the car to 45 psi and then call it good for the entire test. So make each manifold go to 45 psi and then compare each one from there.
But I feel there needs to be selected PSI that each manifold needs to be tested to and with the new FP red, Black, 6262 6565, 6767,6567 4088, blah blah all of these turbos do good around 39-45 psi. SO the selected PSI should be in that range.
needless to say I was impressed.
cb
Im interested in power increases under the curve vs all out peak power. if this shootout doesn't happen then I just may install my Headgames race head and Kelford 272 cams, dyno that combo and then install the Buschur IM and see how much power I gain over my ported stocker
I agree with this to a certain extent. Magnus states that their new V5 was made for top end power. I feel that there is a large enough community that have 600+ HP Evo's that would like to see a car pushed. I would like to see it pushed because that's I what I will be doing.
What can be done is maybe a two or three tier test. See which IM makes the best HP TQ from mid range all the way up and then see which one has the best top power made.
In the case of Sharks car we could say push the car to 45 psi and then call it good for the entire test. So make each manifold go to 45 psi and then compare each one from there.
But I feel there needs to be selected PSI that each manifold needs to be tested to and with the new FP red, Black, 6262 6565, 6767,6567 4088, blah blah all of these turbos do good around 39-45 psi. SO the selected PSI should be in that range.
What can be done is maybe a two or three tier test. See which IM makes the best HP TQ from mid range all the way up and then see which one has the best top power made.
In the case of Sharks car we could say push the car to 45 psi and then call it good for the entire test. So make each manifold go to 45 psi and then compare each one from there.
But I feel there needs to be selected PSI that each manifold needs to be tested to and with the new FP red, Black, 6262 6565, 6767,6567 4088, blah blah all of these turbos do good around 39-45 psi. SO the selected PSI should be in that range.
I agree - why would someone even consider one of these mac daddy manifolds for under 500whp - I would just go with a ported intake at those HP levels...
I agree with this to a certain extent. Magnus states that their new V5 was made for top end power. I feel that there is a large enough community that have 600+ HP Evo's that would like to see a car pushed. I would like to see it pushed because that's I what I will be doing.
What can be done is maybe a two or three tier test. See which IM makes the best HP TQ from mid range all the way up and then see which one has the best top power made.
In the case of Sharks car we could say push the car to 45 psi and then call it good for the entire test. So make each manifold go to 45 psi and then compare each one from there.
But I feel there needs to be selected PSI that each manifold needs to be tested to and with the new FP red, Black, 6262 6565, 6767,6567 4088, blah blah all of these turbos do good around 39-45 psi. SO the selected PSI should be in that range.
What can be done is maybe a two or three tier test. See which IM makes the best HP TQ from mid range all the way up and then see which one has the best top power made.
In the case of Sharks car we could say push the car to 45 psi and then call it good for the entire test. So make each manifold go to 45 psi and then compare each one from there.
But I feel there needs to be selected PSI that each manifold needs to be tested to and with the new FP red, Black, 6262 6565, 6767,6567 4088, blah blah all of these turbos do good around 39-45 psi. SO the selected PSI should be in that range.
In short, Shark uses small turbine housing that will only flow so much. He has showed this when he upgraded from 850r to 950r. The car made almost the same peak power between the two turbos. Testing intake manifolds with turbine housing chocking the flow is pointless. Intake manifold lets air in and turbine needs to let it all out.
In short my car is pretty much maxed out with all the part's on it now so any change will be seen right away because of all the dyno time my car has had, long history
Alright guys, i will be buying a intake manifold within the next month.. Im looking to spend no more than 1k on a GOOD Manifold.
So Plz plz plz can you guys compare these manifolds.
I would really like to see a comparison between
Ams F1-I
DI manifold
Buschur Racing Fabricated Manifold
Magnus v5
Plz help me make my decision on my built 6262 setup
So Plz plz plz can you guys compare these manifolds.
I would really like to see a comparison between
Ams F1-I
DI manifold
Buschur Racing Fabricated Manifold
Magnus v5
Plz help me make my decision on my built 6262 setup
again IMO a shop who performs the test should have no affiliation with any shop who is providing the manifolds. not dissing anyone but sharks car is all AMS almost. sean ivey is a lot AMS. some guys need to open there eyes here. i would have a shop with a dyno and a proper car do the test. its the only way without someone favoring one company.
p.s. that wilson manifold for over 2k better come with a tech to put it on the car and make my damn breakfast for a year
p.s. that wilson manifold for over 2k better come with a tech to put it on the car and make my damn breakfast for a year
