for anyone that has crankcase pressure issues
#1441
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High crankcase pressure .........99% of the time it's broken pistons.
I would have thought someone would have figured it out after 96 pages of BS.
Pull out the sparkplugs.
Take a good look at the threads.
The ones wet with oil, they're the ones with the broken piston.
Easy fix.......pull the head, drop the sump, pull the piston and rod.
Replace with a good used one,.......fixed.
It's a pretty much "normal" condition for any turbo engine that's been badly tuned with too much knock.
Seen it lots and lots and lots of times.
Fixed it lots and lots and lots of times.
A compression test nearly always returns normal numbers as does a leakdown test.
A leakdown test should be done with the piston half way down the bore after firing.
That's because after driving (a long time) with broken pistons you get a groove worn in the bore. That's due to the rings no longer able to rotate on the pistons.
There's no groove worn in the bore at the top so it seals OK, there's also no groove at the bottom of the bore so it seals OK....but leaks half way down.
There you go.....think on that for a while?
But I can't have broken it, it's just not possible.
My tuner said so.
I would have thought someone would have figured it out after 96 pages of BS.
Pull out the sparkplugs.
Take a good look at the threads.
The ones wet with oil, they're the ones with the broken piston.
Easy fix.......pull the head, drop the sump, pull the piston and rod.
Replace with a good used one,.......fixed.
It's a pretty much "normal" condition for any turbo engine that's been badly tuned with too much knock.
Seen it lots and lots and lots of times.
Fixed it lots and lots and lots of times.
A compression test nearly always returns normal numbers as does a leakdown test.
A leakdown test should be done with the piston half way down the bore after firing.
That's because after driving (a long time) with broken pistons you get a groove worn in the bore. That's due to the rings no longer able to rotate on the pistons.
There's no groove worn in the bore at the top so it seals OK, there's also no groove at the bottom of the bore so it seals OK....but leaks half way down.
There you go.....think on that for a while?
But I can't have broken it, it's just not possible.
My tuner said so.
Last edited by RightSaid fred; Aug 11, 2017 at 01:23 AM.
#1442
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Thanks for the suggestions! Just about all of those were on my list of things to check so at least it sounds like I'm on the right path, unless you can think of something else. I've already tried messing with the BISS and saw almost no change. The tune still has the stock ISCV values so I don't see that being the issue. I'm going to put a PCV back in the line running to the intake tonight or tomorrow to see if that helps. I also already ordered a check valve for the line going to the turbo inlet and that should be here tomorrow. Hopefully, making one or more of those changes will solve it. I'll report back this weekend and let you know how it goes.
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Ian0611 (Aug 14, 2017)
#1443
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Mychailo, my car handles a 6an PCV line to the manifold. Took some turning down of the ISCV settings, and the BISS is only about 1/4 or 1/2 turn out, but it idles nicely at 1050-1100 with the GSC S2's.
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Ian0611 (Aug 11, 2017)
#1445
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Yep, I'm sure that a BISS adjust will get the job done with some setups. What check valve are you using? While I didn't mention it in my prior post, the layout that I show allows for maximum benefit of using the PCV port on the VC to provide crankcase pressure relief while allowing idle to function normally.
#1446
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Yep, I'm sure that a BISS adjust will get the job done with some setups. What check valve are you using? While I didn't mention it in my prior post, the layout that I show allows for maximum benefit of using the PCV port on the VC to provide crankcase pressure relief while allowing idle to function normally.
#1448
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Are you using the factory or aftermarket check valve? Aftermarket valves often have much too high of a flow rate to be correctable by closing down the BISS. If you want to use the IM for PCV and get the benefit of using the PCV passage on the valve cover to reduce crankcase pressure, then the arrangement in my drawing below is needed.
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#1451
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Well it looks like I got at least half of my problem solved over the weekend. On Saturday, I put a PCV valve in-line with the check running from the catch can to the intake manifold and that solved the high idle problem. I need to put some miles on it now to make sure it's no longer pushing oil past the turbo seals, but I'm hopeful that issue is solved now as well because before it used to smoke a little at idle and it doesn't appear to be doing that anymore.
P.S. I wish I could do cool diagrams like MRFred Lol!
P.S. I wish I could do cool diagrams like MRFred Lol!
#1452
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Ok, so I installed -10an lines running off my valve cover to the sealed STM catch can and ran a -10an line back to the intake. I've been driving on this setup for the past week, but I'm still getting oil in the intake. I know this is fresh oil too since I changed to Penngrade 1 when I put all this stuff in and the oil pooling is green.
I'm kind of beyond frustrated with this FP Red at this point. Anything else I should be checking before I pull the turbo and ship it to FP or get so mad I throw it off my parking garage?
I'm kind of beyond frustrated with this FP Red at this point. Anything else I should be checking before I pull the turbo and ship it to FP or get so mad I throw it off my parking garage?
#1453
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Did you run a line back to the intake manifold with a check valve?
#1455
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Only thing really left to do is check crank case pressure, or call FP.