New FP Green! FP54 57lbs/min
It's common sense really. If FP, the largest purchaser of them can't get them because a high up MHI rep told them so, and they sell more then both combined then logic dictates the alternative. History as stated above was well documented by FP, so they'd rather NOT sell a turbo then sell one with parts that fail (well all turbos fail but you understand). I'm not an FP fan boy - by any means. Just making the history and facts clear to those that likely don't know.
To think further, FP spent many $ developing the SS housing - but only for the best selling turbos at the time. The 71 and the 54 both use super small exhaust wheels for quicker spool - thus if you know anything about exhaust housings is an issue when air bleeds past the wheel. Restating the fact that Blacks far outsell Greens and whites(71), whats the business motivation to make the smaller SS housing. Thus why you only get a chra for the 71 and no option for the 54. Yet anyway.
To think further, FP spent many $ developing the SS housing - but only for the best selling turbos at the time. The 71 and the 54 both use super small exhaust wheels for quicker spool - thus if you know anything about exhaust housings is an issue when air bleeds past the wheel. Restating the fact that Blacks far outsell Greens and whites(71), whats the business motivation to make the smaller SS housing. Thus why you only get a chra for the 71 and no option for the 54. Yet anyway.
FP works closely with MHI, hell, the assisted MHI is developing the upgraded 18k turbo for the X. So I think if MHI housing were available, they would have a line on them....lol
Also, the 71hta doesn't just use a small turbine, it's the stock MHI turbine. That turbo is simply a compressor upgrade.
Also, the 71hta doesn't just use a small turbine, it's the stock MHI turbine. That turbo is simply a compressor upgrade.
Last edited by letsgetthisdone; Sep 20, 2016 at 09:56 AM.
FP works closely with MHI, hell, the assisted MHI is developing the upgraded 18k turbo for the X. So I think if MHI housing were available, they would have a line on them....lol
Also, the 71hta doesn't just use a small turbin, it's the stock MHI turbine. That turbo is simply a compressor upgrade.
Also, the 71hta doesn't just use a small turbin, it's the stock MHI turbine. That turbo is simply a compressor upgrade.
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Blouch says that they are still using genuine MHI housings. The tech person noted though that the cost to obtain them has gone up considerably. I see no reason to disbelieve. FP is not the oracle of MHI housings. Recall that some time ago, they said there would be no more, and then a year or so later, there were more. And as I said before, the use of Chinese housings is a dicey proposition. It didn't work out for MAP.
Blouch says that they are still using genuine MHI housings. The tech person noted though that the cost to obtain them has gone up considerably. I see no reason to disbelieve. FP is not the oracle of MHI housings. Recall that some time ago, they said there would be no more, and then a year or so later, there were more. And as I said before, the use of Chinese housings is a dicey proposition. It didn't work out for MAP.
Good to know. I was pretty confident Blouch (and likely Owen Developments as well) would not try to pass off chinese junk. No longer made does not equal no longer available on the market.
Tuned last week, still working out some issues (killed front O2 Sensor which had 95k miles on it , IAC
died as well)
*Edit
Green Lines are E85
Red Lines are 93 Oct
died as well)
*Edit
Green Lines are E85
Red Lines are 93 Oct
Last edited by Jmills; Sep 30, 2016 at 09:19 AM.
Not sure if that dyno reads like a dynojet, or a mustang dyno, or what fuel your using. But my red makes 280wtq at 4k, and 380wtq at 4500 on a mustang dyno on E85, which very nearly mimics your red torque curve. Except I have a flat torque plateau from 4500-6000 before it falls off. I was expecting the torque to hold so well, but I was also expecting faster spool and the torque to come up earlier with the FP54.
Last edited by letsgetthisdone; Sep 30, 2016 at 09:28 AM.
Not sure if that dyno reads like a dynojet, or a mustang dyno, or what fuel your using. But my red makes 280wtq at 4k, and 380wtq at 4500 on a mustang dyno on E85, which very nearly mimics your red torque curve. Except I have a flat torque plateau from 4500-6000 before it falls off. I was expecting the torque to hold so well, but I was also expecting faster spool and the torque to come up earlier with the FP54.
From what I was told, this should read similar to a Mustang Dyno.
Red lines are E85
Green are 93 Oct
I believe the torque was brought on a little later to keep the block safe, granted I still have to have some items ironed out.
If you want the block to be safe, I would reel in the ~430wtq number. Keep the line at a flat 390-400. If it reads like a mustang dyno, that's like 46-470wtq on a dynojet. Well above the accepted ~400wtw safety area.
So glad someone finally put down some numbers on paper. how much boost were you able to run? After all this time we finally have a dyno sheet. Thx hopefully we can get some more with some different set ups soon.
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I should be getting a new one in today and then the plan in to swap to an AEM 3.5 bar sensor since there seems to be some quality issues with the Omnis now.
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I had to put my set up on the back burner for a few months, but it's finally coming together 
. Planning on getting it tuned in about 2 weeks.
Though I don't see the turbo on FP's site anymore, so I guess there's probably only a few people left that are worried about seeing the results lol.
. Planning on getting it tuned in about 2 weeks. Though I don't see the turbo on FP's site anymore, so I guess there's probably only a few people left that are worried about seeing the results lol.
Not sure if that dyno reads like a dynojet, or a mustang dyno, or what fuel your using. But my red makes 280wtq at 4k, and 380wtq at 4500 on a mustang dyno on E85, which very nearly mimics your red torque curve. Except I have a flat torque plateau from 4500-6000 before it falls off. I was expecting the torque to hold so well, but I was also expecting faster spool and the torque to come up earlier with the FP54.