Evo 8 or srt-4 ?
I'd say that Carrera GT didn't even see 50% of its limits. That S2000? 90-100%. Generalized, of course. Point is, no way was that Porsche anywhere near its potential.
Okay. I just watched the last part of that Porsche vs. Honda vid'. I admit that I didn't watch it to the end the first time because I've seen these deceiving, inaccurate vid's before. Verdict: That driver in the Porsche SUCKED. How can you take that video seriously? What a joke! LOL ... Way too much car for him/her.
Okay. I just watched the last part of that Porsche vs. Honda vid'. I admit that I didn't watch it to the end the first time because I've seen these deceiving, inaccurate vid's before. Verdict: That driver in the Porsche SUCKED. How can you take that video seriously? What a joke! LOL ... Way too much car for him/her.
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^ You know what, now that I re-read everything, I think I misunderstood your original point. So I kinda realize that I was debating with you for a point that you weren't arguing (as it was someone else's that you just quoted). Hehe.
This link works: http://www.gtchannel.com/content.php?cid=10975 Sorry 'bout that.
Part 2: http://www.gtchannel.com/content.php?cid=10977
And part 3: http://www.gtchannel.com/content.php?cid=10974
Part 2: http://www.gtchannel.com/content.php?cid=10977
And part 3: http://www.gtchannel.com/content.php?cid=10974
Ok so my story. I own a SRT-4 and my brother owns a 03 Evo VIII. I drive both of them frequently and I must say for everyday driving I'd chose the SRT-4 anyday. Easier to start off since not awd so it isn't as difficult to move. Plus the tiny turbo spools up quick and kicks you into the seat. However I like to switch over and the drive the Evo to like when the weather conditons aren't the greatest. I recently put a GT3076r on the SRT-4 and I'm loving it more. Its cost way less to mod and I've never had any issues with it.
Now my brothers Evo went through 1 clutch and a 3rd gear synchro. My buddy has gone through 4 clutchs because of launching. I' d say the SRT is reliable and overall if I got the choice to go SRT-4 or EVO id go SRT. Simply because I can abuse it sure I will spin but in an Evo I'll either burn up a clutch or eventually break some powertrain components. Not saying its not possible in the SRT its just you can't break a transfer case if you dont have one lol
Now my brothers Evo went through 1 clutch and a 3rd gear synchro. My buddy has gone through 4 clutchs because of launching. I' d say the SRT is reliable and overall if I got the choice to go SRT-4 or EVO id go SRT. Simply because I can abuse it sure I will spin but in an Evo I'll either burn up a clutch or eventually break some powertrain components. Not saying its not possible in the SRT its just you can't break a transfer case if you dont have one lol
Not exactly. You were quick to attribute any shortcomings to the Carrera GT driver being unskilled in your opinion.
But even if it were Walter Rohl or whatever his name is behind the wheel, if he had never been on that course before, it's not likely that he'll be able to push the car to 100% on his first try, so it would hypothetically be possible for a car and driver combo like in the S2000 to keep up and pass him as he spun out. Even the best drivers make mistakes.
But even if it were Walter Rohl or whatever his name is behind the wheel, if he had never been on that course before, it's not likely that he'll be able to push the car to 100% on his first try, so it would hypothetically be possible for a car and driver combo like in the S2000 to keep up and pass him as he spun out. Even the best drivers make mistakes.
Yeah, right? That Evo was walking in the park while those two Hondas were sprinting.
Back on topic: OP, take a poll on the reliability of the Neon SRT-4 versus the Lancer Evo and I'm confident that the Japanese car will take the win. The re-sale values say it all. Go out and price both cars. Really, though, if money's much of an issue, the Dodge won't break the bank. Way cheaper to maintain and replace parts. Performance costs money. You do get what you pay for. My God, though: The Evo is the far better car. I haven't missed my Dodge ever. I just remembered it now and I traded it in for the Evo back in Nov' '05. Now I can go on forgetting it for a few more years. Whatever you do, don't be hasty with your decision. Research your *** off.
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^ Agreed. It's hard to say anything that hasn't already been said. Save up some extra money and go with an Evo instead, unless it's just that impossible to come up with extra money while absolutely having to buy a new turbocharged car. But I've heard a few things about SRT-4 reliability... not so great. I'd much rather buy something else slower than an SRT-4, especially if you're in a situation where you have to save money, since the SRT-4 might break down on you. I distinctly remember being at the South Coast Mitsu dealership and talking to a guy who was trading in his SRT-4 that was falling apart for an RSX Type-S on the used lot. All that power is fun until it starts to break down on you.
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I being a DSM guy and very familiar with the Evolution and 4G63 both, may be somwhat biased. I have driven Evolutions and SRT-4s, both stock and modified. This is an Evolution board, so 70% of your answers will be very biased, but I will give the best unbiased opinion.
First off, lets get this straight, both cars are driven by 16-25 year old idiots, no matter what anyone on here says. The backwards hat "yo yo dog" stereotypes can fit both vehicles, as is the "checkbook racer" approach to modifiying and tuning.
FWD vs AWD can be a major determining factor for some, but coming from someone who owns both AWD and FWD DSMs, unless you are making 500hp AWD/FWD does not matter unless you are a hardcore track racer. Granted, there are pros and cons to every powertrain layout, AWD grip is great, but having less potential drivetrain parts to break (FWD) is always a great plus.
Interiors on both cars are ****, IMO. Both cars reek of cheapness on the inside, the SRT-4 a little more than the EVO, but both cars were more than $10,000 apart in price when new. The guage cluster on the SRT is easier on the eyes to me, and for a $30-35k dollar car, the EVO should have had badass electronic fullsweeping guages (IE Subaru Impreza WRX STi). Seats are nicer in the EVO, but not enough solely to make the interior better. Plastics ect look cheap in both cars.
Performance is great obviously in both cars, and the Evolution's 4G63 is world renowned for durability and power. However, the SRT-4s engine can also handle tons of power on the stock engine, as both have cast iron blocks. Parts are more expensive in the Mitsu, but bolt ons will take you far in both.
In terms of reliability, though the SRT is a Dodge, the Mitsubishi is no Honda. I have actually personally come across and seen more blown up Evolutions than I have SRT-4s. Search these forums and read about anihalated clutches, spun rod bearings, exploded center differentials, and toasted synchronizers (on both low and high mileage cars, heavily and lightly modded).
Personaly, if I had only $20,000 to work with on a fun to drive daily driver/weekend warrior I would go with the SRT-4. While both are great cars, 20k will get you a way nicer Dodge than it will the Evo. If it didn't have to be a daily at all, I wouldn't get either (for 20k, I could have a fully built nasty 1g or 2g DSM with all of the power of the mighty 4G63, and a daily driver Civic too!). It all depends obviously on your personal choice, but you can't go wrong with either.
First off, lets get this straight, both cars are driven by 16-25 year old idiots, no matter what anyone on here says. The backwards hat "yo yo dog" stereotypes can fit both vehicles, as is the "checkbook racer" approach to modifiying and tuning.
FWD vs AWD can be a major determining factor for some, but coming from someone who owns both AWD and FWD DSMs, unless you are making 500hp AWD/FWD does not matter unless you are a hardcore track racer. Granted, there are pros and cons to every powertrain layout, AWD grip is great, but having less potential drivetrain parts to break (FWD) is always a great plus.
Interiors on both cars are ****, IMO. Both cars reek of cheapness on the inside, the SRT-4 a little more than the EVO, but both cars were more than $10,000 apart in price when new. The guage cluster on the SRT is easier on the eyes to me, and for a $30-35k dollar car, the EVO should have had badass electronic fullsweeping guages (IE Subaru Impreza WRX STi). Seats are nicer in the EVO, but not enough solely to make the interior better. Plastics ect look cheap in both cars.
Performance is great obviously in both cars, and the Evolution's 4G63 is world renowned for durability and power. However, the SRT-4s engine can also handle tons of power on the stock engine, as both have cast iron blocks. Parts are more expensive in the Mitsu, but bolt ons will take you far in both.
In terms of reliability, though the SRT is a Dodge, the Mitsubishi is no Honda. I have actually personally come across and seen more blown up Evolutions than I have SRT-4s. Search these forums and read about anihalated clutches, spun rod bearings, exploded center differentials, and toasted synchronizers (on both low and high mileage cars, heavily and lightly modded).
Personaly, if I had only $20,000 to work with on a fun to drive daily driver/weekend warrior I would go with the SRT-4. While both are great cars, 20k will get you a way nicer Dodge than it will the Evo. If it didn't have to be a daily at all, I wouldn't get either (for 20k, I could have a fully built nasty 1g or 2g DSM with all of the power of the mighty 4G63, and a daily driver Civic too!). It all depends obviously on your personal choice, but you can't go wrong with either.
SRT4's are very quick cars. Stock vs. Stock it would be a VERY close race from a roll possibly favoring the SRT4. From a dig, or if you decide to turn the steering wheel, the Evo will crush the SRT4. If the SRT4 was rear wheel or all wheel drive then it would be much closer comparison but the fact is even stock SRT4's have traction issues. By the way, ~2004 SRT4's with like 35k miles on them sell for about 10-15k. 2004 Evo's with 35k miles on it sell for like 20-25k. Just something to think about. The SRT4 is very good for the money. Try to get the newest one possible though for improved traction system.
The stock Dodge starts to drop off considerably above 80 mph. While the Evo's top is 100. Everything up to 80 in the Evo, in my stock Evo, still would out run a stock SRT-4. Not even close, man.
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"DEFINITION OF ACCELERATION"
One top SRT-4 Engine makes more horsepower
than the first 5 rows of stock cars on the moon.
Under full throttle, a SRT-4 engine consumes 1-1/2 gallons of Gasoline per minute; a fully loaded High School Bus consumes Diesel at the same
rate with 25% less energy being produced.
A Dodge Hemi V8 street engine cannot produce enough power to drive the
SRT-4's Turbocharger.
With 3,000 CFM of air being rammed in by the Turbo on the moon,
the fuel mixture is compressed into a near-solid form before ignition.
All 4 Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock at half throttle.
At the stoichiometric (stoichiometry: methodology and technology by
which quantities of reactants and products in chemical reactions are
determined) 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture of methane, the flame front
temperature measures 7,050 deg F. (approx - 14.7:1+ on a car)
Nitro methane burns yellow. SRT-4 Gas burns Gold. The spectacular gold flame seen above the
Hubble telescope , dissociated from atmospheric
water vapor by the searing exhaust gases.
Dual magnetos supply .2 amps to each spark plug. This is essentially the
output of an Energizer Battery in each cylinder.
Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After halfway,
the engine is dieseling from compression, plus the glow of exhaust
valves at 1,400 deg F. The engine can only be shut down by turning the key.
If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned gas builds up in
the affected cylinders and then explodes with sufficient force to blow
cylinder heads off the block in pieces or split the block in half.
In order to exceed 30 mph in 4.5 seconds, SRT-4's must accelerate an
average of over 4G's. In order to reach 60 mph (well before
half-track), the launch acceleration approaches 8G's.
Srt-4's reach over 30 miles per hour before you have completed
reading this sentence.
Top fuel engines turn approximately 540 revolutions from light to light! SRT-4's are dyno'd on the moon.
Including the burnout, the engine must only survive 900 revolutions
under load.
The redline is actually quite high at 9,500 rpm.
Assuming all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, and
for once NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs an estimate $10.00 per
Hour.
The current top SRT-4 elapsed time record is 14.441 seconds for
the quarter mile (10/05/03, Joey Boots). The top speed record is
112.00 mph as measured over the last 66' of the run (09/28/03
Hymen Cabotta).
That folks is acceleration...
One top SRT-4 Engine makes more horsepower
than the first 5 rows of stock cars on the moon.
Under full throttle, a SRT-4 engine consumes 1-1/2 gallons of Gasoline per minute; a fully loaded High School Bus consumes Diesel at the same
rate with 25% less energy being produced.
A Dodge Hemi V8 street engine cannot produce enough power to drive the
SRT-4's Turbocharger.
With 3,000 CFM of air being rammed in by the Turbo on the moon,
the fuel mixture is compressed into a near-solid form before ignition.
All 4 Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock at half throttle.
At the stoichiometric (stoichiometry: methodology and technology by
which quantities of reactants and products in chemical reactions are
determined) 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture of methane, the flame front
temperature measures 7,050 deg F. (approx - 14.7:1+ on a car)
Nitro methane burns yellow. SRT-4 Gas burns Gold. The spectacular gold flame seen above the
Hubble telescope , dissociated from atmospheric
water vapor by the searing exhaust gases.
Dual magnetos supply .2 amps to each spark plug. This is essentially the
output of an Energizer Battery in each cylinder.
Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After halfway,
the engine is dieseling from compression, plus the glow of exhaust
valves at 1,400 deg F. The engine can only be shut down by turning the key.
If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned gas builds up in
the affected cylinders and then explodes with sufficient force to blow
cylinder heads off the block in pieces or split the block in half.
In order to exceed 30 mph in 4.5 seconds, SRT-4's must accelerate an
average of over 4G's. In order to reach 60 mph (well before
half-track), the launch acceleration approaches 8G's.
Srt-4's reach over 30 miles per hour before you have completed
reading this sentence.
Top fuel engines turn approximately 540 revolutions from light to light! SRT-4's are dyno'd on the moon.
Including the burnout, the engine must only survive 900 revolutions
under load.
The redline is actually quite high at 9,500 rpm.
Assuming all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, and
for once NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs an estimate $10.00 per
Hour.
The current top SRT-4 elapsed time record is 14.441 seconds for
the quarter mile (10/05/03, Joey Boots). The top speed record is
112.00 mph as measured over the last 66' of the run (09/28/03
Hymen Cabotta).
That folks is acceleration...
I being a DSM guy and very familiar with the Evolution and 4G63 both, may be somwhat biased. I have driven Evolutions and SRT-4s, both stock and modified. This is an Evolution board, so 70% of your answers will be very biased, but I will give the best unbiased opinion.
First off, lets get this straight, both cars are driven by 16-25 year old idiots, no matter what anyone on here says. The backwards hat "yo yo dog" stereotypes can fit both vehicles, as is the "checkbook racer" approach to modifiying and tuning.
FWD vs AWD can be a major determining factor for some, but coming from someone who owns both AWD and FWD DSMs, unless you are making 500hp AWD/FWD does not matter unless you are a hardcore track racer. Granted, there are pros and cons to every powertrain layout, AWD grip is great, but having less potential drivetrain parts to break (FWD) is always a great plus.
Interiors on both cars are ****, IMO. Both cars reek of cheapness on the inside, the SRT-4 a little more than the EVO, but both cars were more than $10,000 apart in price when new. The guage cluster on the SRT is easier on the eyes to me, and for a $30-35k dollar car, the EVO should have had badass electronic fullsweeping guages (IE Subaru Impreza WRX STi). Seats are nicer in the EVO, but not enough solely to make the interior better. Plastics ect look cheap in both cars.
Performance is great obviously in both cars, and the Evolution's 4G63 is world renowned for durability and power. However, the SRT-4s engine can also handle tons of power on the stock engine, as both have cast iron blocks. Parts are more expensive in the Mitsu, but bolt ons will take you far in both.
In terms of reliability, though the SRT is a Dodge, the Mitsubishi is no Honda. I have actually personally come across and seen more blown up Evolutions than I have SRT-4s. Search these forums and read about anihalated clutches, spun rod bearings, exploded center differentials, and toasted synchronizers (on both low and high mileage cars, heavily and lightly modded).
Personaly, if I had only $20,000 to work with on a fun to drive daily driver/weekend warrior I would go with the SRT-4. While both are great cars, 20k will get you a way nicer Dodge than it will the Evo. If it didn't have to be a daily at all, I wouldn't get either (for 20k, I could have a fully built nasty 1g or 2g DSM with all of the power of the mighty 4G63, and a daily driver Civic too!). It all depends obviously on your personal choice, but you can't go wrong with either.
First off, lets get this straight, both cars are driven by 16-25 year old idiots, no matter what anyone on here says. The backwards hat "yo yo dog" stereotypes can fit both vehicles, as is the "checkbook racer" approach to modifiying and tuning.
FWD vs AWD can be a major determining factor for some, but coming from someone who owns both AWD and FWD DSMs, unless you are making 500hp AWD/FWD does not matter unless you are a hardcore track racer. Granted, there are pros and cons to every powertrain layout, AWD grip is great, but having less potential drivetrain parts to break (FWD) is always a great plus.
Interiors on both cars are ****, IMO. Both cars reek of cheapness on the inside, the SRT-4 a little more than the EVO, but both cars were more than $10,000 apart in price when new. The guage cluster on the SRT is easier on the eyes to me, and for a $30-35k dollar car, the EVO should have had badass electronic fullsweeping guages (IE Subaru Impreza WRX STi). Seats are nicer in the EVO, but not enough solely to make the interior better. Plastics ect look cheap in both cars.
Performance is great obviously in both cars, and the Evolution's 4G63 is world renowned for durability and power. However, the SRT-4s engine can also handle tons of power on the stock engine, as both have cast iron blocks. Parts are more expensive in the Mitsu, but bolt ons will take you far in both.
In terms of reliability, though the SRT is a Dodge, the Mitsubishi is no Honda. I have actually personally come across and seen more blown up Evolutions than I have SRT-4s. Search these forums and read about anihalated clutches, spun rod bearings, exploded center differentials, and toasted synchronizers (on both low and high mileage cars, heavily and lightly modded).
Personaly, if I had only $20,000 to work with on a fun to drive daily driver/weekend warrior I would go with the SRT-4. While both are great cars, 20k will get you a way nicer Dodge than it will the Evo. If it didn't have to be a daily at all, I wouldn't get either (for 20k, I could have a fully built nasty 1g or 2g DSM with all of the power of the mighty 4G63, and a daily driver Civic too!). It all depends obviously on your personal choice, but you can't go wrong with either.
The Neon SRT-4's chassis is inferior to the Lancer Evo's. The Evo feels solid while the SRT-4 feels flimsy. The Evo' steering and handling are light years ahead of the Dodge. Wanna have a little oversteer fun? On a closed track, of course. Good luck getting the tail out in a Dodge. No powerslides to be had with FWD. Even on the street, with quick, full grip, non-sliding turns, I remember the SRT-4 understeering like a *****. I HATED its turn-in. No front end grip.
So many nods for the Dodge. I'm surprised. On an Evo forum, too.