blizzaks do work for rwd and fwd cars too, lol

 

the 370z is a better deal starting at 30k....if you're not looking for awd...i'd like to drive one to see what the transmission was like

 

It's not the same at all... a lot of previous cars have rev-matching on downshift, but all of them are autos. The 370Z is the first car EVER to have rev-matching in a full-on manual transmission.

It's prolly gonna be a while before this catches on in the rest of the car world.

 

I was watching old reviews of the Nismo 350Z, and a 13.6 quarter mile meant it was the fastest F/R under $40K. Is that true?

 

The 350Z has a best 1/4 (stock) of 13.1 and a best trap just over 107.

The NISMO is not made for drag racing. It's slower than a regular 350Z at the strip... but will rape one around a track.

 

i seen the 370z at the dealership tonight and im very impressed. The car is absolutely beautiful.

 

Actually, one of the tests from one of the magazines showed the nismo to be quite a let down. In spite of the added downforce and improved aero, it actually posted worse slalom and braking numbers and somehow edged out a win around the track, but literally by like .2 seconds, which was almost a wash. I'll try to find the link.

 

saw one today as well, that car is amazing! Sticker price was a little over 40k though.

 

well you know they are going to get all they can out the first couple of impatient buyers. I would pay 40k for it no more than that. After a while the price will eventually come down and deals will start popping up. If i was in the market for one i would just wait.

 

Please, I'm interested in reading this.

 

^Well, I can't find the test that I was referring to initially (I'll keep looking), but here's an excerpt from an article on car and driver that somewhat encompases what I was talking about.

"At $38,695, the NISMO Z costs about $2000 more than a Grand Touring model. Considering all the elements in this package, that seems like a reasonable premium. However much we appreciated the NISMO’s no-nonsense reflexes, though, we were unable to quantify the benefits of the package in our standard testing. At 5.2 seconds to 60 mph, the NISMO Z was no quicker than the last Z car we tested [“Four of a Kind,” June 2007], and its quarter-mile run—13.8 seconds at 103 mph—was a hair slower, probably owing to increased aero drag. Braking was good—159 feet from 70 mph versus 169 feet—but the June car, a base Z, pulled a better skidpad number, 0.93 versus 0.92. The bottom line: This is a sincere and thorough effort by NISMO, but its virtues will be tangible only on a road or track with very fast turns."

This is why in that test that I was refering to, the nismo was only a couple tenths faster around the track. The nismo has spring/damper characteristics that are carefully balanced with the car's aerodynamic upgrades, but this comes at a cost. The balance between front and rear downforce makes these spring/damper rates ideal at high speeds, but is not balanced correcty at lower speeds where the downforce isn't there. On a tight track, it will still win because of the improved braking performance, but only by such a tiny amount it's almost a wash. On a fast track where the speeds are higher and there are more long sweepers than tight twisty sections, it's advantages will become more obvious. So long story short, it is a better car, but nissan could've done a much better job with it. Here's the link to the car and driver article if you want to read more, but the quote that I posted was the meat of it. http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take_road_test

 

I think that amount is significant on the track though. It did post one of the quickest times on VIR, and it's no question the new Z is faster. I'm excited to see some real world reactions/figures, I'm wondering how it stacks up.
That is, if I'm allowed to post in the X section without being labeled as envious and hateful.
Otherwise, I guess I could start a thread in the Evo I-IX section..

 

Well over the weekend I was at my parents house and read an article on the crapper by either car and driver and road and track and looked at the numbers on the 370z. They were litterally identical to the Evo X. Slalom and roadholding were the same, acceleration and 1/4 times were also the same. I think even braking was about even, within a few feet.

And this was comparing the magazines times to its previous ones on the Evo X GSR that is posted at the end of the magazine every month. The 370z appeared to be heavier but more power, hence the equal performance. I doubt im the first to post this, but shouldn't be much of a debate, both are great cars, question is do you want RWD or AWD, or possibly NA vs Turbo or pure looks i guess. You win either way, and both will be priced pretty equally comparing the GSR to the base with upgrades 370 i think.

Ps. I did not bother to read the 28 pages of this thread, I popped in and out of the thread over the past month or so and I am not sure if this is even a debate anymore, lol.

 

370z rapes evo x in braking, idk what you're smoking

 

I guess you didn't read through what we were talking about. We were talking about the NISMO 350 Z, not the new 370. While I agree the new 370 is a great car and a notable improvement over the 350, the point here was that the nismo was a let down.