Recurring P1235 code...
Finally, I got the car back on Friday, with a brand new, stock downpipe installed on it. Stunk to high hell for a couple of days, but so far, no problems to report. I still have to get it into the mountains where it's easy to trigger the issue, but so far, so good. Problem is, stock tires suck in the snow!
So, we'll see how this one goes.
So, we'll see how this one goes.
If you have time to leave the snowy areas .. can I suggest take a LOONG drive to LA to get the "brains" sorted out ??
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One of these days, I may just get the Evo out to LA. My parents live in Huntington Beach, so it'd be the perfect excuse. I'd love to drive that car at sea level!
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Well, today is a sad day. Unfortunately, even after replacing the downpipe and returning the car to stock, I was able to get it to throw the P1235 code yesterday while coming back from a trip to the mountains. Needless to say, I'm over it. The car has spent more than a month in the shop, out of the 9 months I've had it, just for this problem.
Unfortunately, I'm no longer interested in trying to let Mistu fix this problem. They've now done the following:
1. Replace MAF
2. Replace MAF
3. Replace ECU
4. Tighten vacuum hoses and grease electrical connections
5. Replace downpipe to return car to stock
I'll now be aggressively pursuing making Mitsubishi buy this car back from me under the state's lemon law. I've been speaking to a lawyer throughout this process and I decided to give them the benefit of the doubt that the problem was the downpipe. But since it's obvious that hasn't fixed the problem, I'd rather they just buy the piece of **** back from me. I mean, jesus, I have a Toyota with 226,000 miles that hasn't had a single problem the entire time I've owned the Evo. If I take the Evo back to the shop again tomorrow, it will be its 9th time in there in 9 months. That's NOT a good record, and frankly ridiculous. Not to mention how much of a pain in the *** it is for me to have to play "vehicle shuffle" and get people to give me rides to and from the dealer for my forty fuc*ing thousand dollar car that breaks down once a month. Sure, I've already ranted about this, but now I'm over it.
Would I buy another Evo? Most likely. Great car, but far too many problems making it not worth the effort.
So, I'll keep this updated, but this may be my exit form the Mitsubishi family for awhile.
Unfortunately, I'm no longer interested in trying to let Mistu fix this problem. They've now done the following:
1. Replace MAF
2. Replace MAF
3. Replace ECU
4. Tighten vacuum hoses and grease electrical connections
5. Replace downpipe to return car to stock
I'll now be aggressively pursuing making Mitsubishi buy this car back from me under the state's lemon law. I've been speaking to a lawyer throughout this process and I decided to give them the benefit of the doubt that the problem was the downpipe. But since it's obvious that hasn't fixed the problem, I'd rather they just buy the piece of **** back from me. I mean, jesus, I have a Toyota with 226,000 miles that hasn't had a single problem the entire time I've owned the Evo. If I take the Evo back to the shop again tomorrow, it will be its 9th time in there in 9 months. That's NOT a good record, and frankly ridiculous. Not to mention how much of a pain in the *** it is for me to have to play "vehicle shuffle" and get people to give me rides to and from the dealer for my forty fuc*ing thousand dollar car that breaks down once a month. Sure, I've already ranted about this, but now I'm over it.
Would I buy another Evo? Most likely. Great car, but far too many problems making it not worth the effort.
So, I'll keep this updated, but this may be my exit form the Mitsubishi family for awhile.
I'm thinking two things at this point (completely separate).
A) I still think it has something to do with Air Flow. Whether it's the temperature and not being tuned for it, or something missing.
B) Please don't let this detour you from the car. You bought a USED MR. Didn't it have 5k+ miles on it? IMO the dealer screwed you from the very beginning. Do you know the REAL reason this car was brought back in the first place? It may be because the person before you had the exact same problems. Could have been a lemon from the beginning or could have been something he did to the car.
The problem with this car is there are too many unknowns. I say force them to give you a new 2010 (has updated TCU and ECU). There are many of us that aren't having any issues with our MR, so we know this doesn't happen often.
If you don't stick around, I understand why. But I really think it's unfortunate to let this one used unknown car ruin your taste on
. BTW, I think your dealer sucks.
A) I still think it has something to do with Air Flow. Whether it's the temperature and not being tuned for it, or something missing.
B) Please don't let this detour you from the car. You bought a USED MR. Didn't it have 5k+ miles on it? IMO the dealer screwed you from the very beginning. Do you know the REAL reason this car was brought back in the first place? It may be because the person before you had the exact same problems. Could have been a lemon from the beginning or could have been something he did to the car.
The problem with this car is there are too many unknowns. I say force them to give you a new 2010 (has updated TCU and ECU). There are many of us that aren't having any issues with our MR, so we know this doesn't happen often.
If you don't stick around, I understand why. But I really think it's unfortunate to let this one used unknown car ruin your taste on
. BTW, I think your dealer sucks.
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Don't get me wrong... I love my Evo. I would miss it if it were gone.
The reason the car was traded in, was because the guy wanted to do serious modding, and found the SST couldn't handle it. He traded the car in for a GSR. IMO, whatever he did to the car, is what's causing the problems. He obviously did a TBE, and lowering springs. Everything else on that car is now stock. They've checked everything from electrical connections to vacuum hoses, and thought they had found the problem. There was never any work done to the car before it was traded in. I requested the service log on it a long time ago, to submit to the lawyer.
After talking to the lawyer, they think it's going to be tough to make them buy the car back. But they do feel that Mitsubishi can be held responsible for not fixing the car, and not knowing how to fix the car. Whether it's money damages, or whatever. To me, it's a huge pain in the *** to have to drop off and pick up my car at the dealer. And what if I didn't have an extra vehicle accessible to me? I happen to be lucky enough to have another vehicle. But now I'm paying a payment and insurance on a car I can't drive. And my interest rate SUCKS, so I'm paying a pretty monthly penny to have the Evo.
I refuse to trade for another used Evo, but I'd be happy with a New 2008 or 2010 model.
The reason the car was traded in, was because the guy wanted to do serious modding, and found the SST couldn't handle it. He traded the car in for a GSR. IMO, whatever he did to the car, is what's causing the problems. He obviously did a TBE, and lowering springs. Everything else on that car is now stock. They've checked everything from electrical connections to vacuum hoses, and thought they had found the problem. There was never any work done to the car before it was traded in. I requested the service log on it a long time ago, to submit to the lawyer.
After talking to the lawyer, they think it's going to be tough to make them buy the car back. But they do feel that Mitsubishi can be held responsible for not fixing the car, and not knowing how to fix the car. Whether it's money damages, or whatever. To me, it's a huge pain in the *** to have to drop off and pick up my car at the dealer. And what if I didn't have an extra vehicle accessible to me? I happen to be lucky enough to have another vehicle. But now I'm paying a payment and insurance on a car I can't drive. And my interest rate SUCKS, so I'm paying a pretty monthly penny to have the Evo.
I refuse to trade for another used Evo, but I'd be happy with a New 2008 or 2010 model.
DEFINITELY do not get another used one.
How do you know that is why the guy traded it in? Did you speak with him directly or is this what the manager told you?
I also find it ironic that you're having issues with the tranny going into limp mode and throwing error codes... when it's surrounding the tranny and he couldn't "push the sst". Just seems a bit fishy when an outsider reads what you've wrote (nothing against you). I definitely think there has been some deception at your dealership. I'd say make give you a new car (less than 100 miles). I'm sure you could find a way to do that.
What has the headquarters said about all this?
How do you know that is why the guy traded it in? Did you speak with him directly or is this what the manager told you?
I also find it ironic that you're having issues with the tranny going into limp mode and throwing error codes... when it's surrounding the tranny and he couldn't "push the sst". Just seems a bit fishy when an outsider reads what you've wrote (nothing against you). I definitely think there has been some deception at your dealership. I'd say make
give you a new car (less than 100 miles). I'm sure you could find a way to do that. What has the
headquarters said about all this?
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Actually, the guys at the dealer told me all about the car before I bought it, and I got the same story from multiple people. One of em is a sales guy that knows more about the Evo (being that he's owned multiple Evos, and has an X) than any of the other guys. He told me straight up that the guy wanted to race it, and that the SST wouldn't keep up with all the modding he wanted to do with it, so he traded it in for a GSR.
As for the tranny itself, I'm positive the tranny isn't a problem. If I'm driving along and the code gets thrown, it acts stupid. Without even stopping, I just shut the engine off, and start it back up and it's back to normal.
As for the deception, hell yes. All of this is going to go into the case against Mitsubishi. More and more I'm starting to realize that while the service department may be stingy about the Evo repairs, they are more legit than their sales guys. I can think of a number of things they told me that aren't true, for example:
1. Extended warranty covers items even if they are modified
2. Our service department tends to overlook modifications to the cars unless it's overly obvious the mod caused the problem
The nice thing is that the service department has become much better with me through this whole thing. They are more understanding, and have become better people towards me, now that they know I'm not trying to scam them. Seriously, the only mod I've done to this car is replace the antenna with a shorty. I just ordered a backup camera for it, but I'm going to wait until I deal with the courts before I try installing it.
I haven't spoken with Mitsubishi directly regarding this problem. I gave the dealer the ability to fix their screwup (selling me a modded car), and now I'm going to go after them. I haven't said anything to mitsu or the dealer about filing a suit against them, as the lawyer advised against it. He said I should continue to allow them to work on fixing the problem.
So, the car is in the shop again as of yesterday, and they are going to fix my rear seat shelf stereo rattle by having some shop do some padding work on it. They were going to pull the code to see if it was the same one, but I haven't heard anything yet. I'm sure it's nothing new.
As for the tranny itself, I'm positive the tranny isn't a problem. If I'm driving along and the code gets thrown, it acts stupid. Without even stopping, I just shut the engine off, and start it back up and it's back to normal.
As for the deception, hell yes. All of this is going to go into the case against Mitsubishi. More and more I'm starting to realize that while the service department may be stingy about the Evo repairs, they are more legit than their sales guys. I can think of a number of things they told me that aren't true, for example:
1. Extended warranty covers items even if they are modified
2. Our service department tends to overlook modifications to the cars unless it's overly obvious the mod caused the problem
The nice thing is that the service department has become much better with me through this whole thing. They are more understanding, and have become better people towards me, now that they know I'm not trying to scam them. Seriously, the only mod I've done to this car is replace the antenna with a shorty. I just ordered a backup camera for it, but I'm going to wait until I deal with the courts before I try installing it.
I haven't spoken with Mitsubishi directly regarding this problem. I gave the dealer the ability to fix their screwup (selling me a modded car), and now I'm going to go after them. I haven't said anything to mitsu or the dealer about filing a suit against them, as the lawyer advised against it. He said I should continue to allow them to work on fixing the problem.
So, the car is in the shop again as of yesterday, and they are going to fix my rear seat shelf stereo rattle by having some shop do some padding work on it. They were going to pull the code to see if it was the same one, but I haven't heard anything yet. I'm sure it's nothing new.
Actually, the guys at the dealer told me all about the car before I bought it, and I got the same story from multiple people. One of em is a sales guy that knows more about the Evo (being that he's owned multiple Evos, and has an X) than any of the other guys. He told me straight up that the guy wanted to race it, and that the SST wouldn't keep up with all the modding he wanted to do with it, so he traded it in for a GSR.
Unless of course you asked the dealer to flashed in a new rom for you
Merry Christmas .. its a small issue thats easily fixed ..
P1235 BAH ..
Wait until you get P1238 and P1241 !! that'll scare the **** out of you !!
Webman .. LAXGSR is around the denver region .. maybe you can get together with me and get him to send me your rom ?? or at least he can have a look at it too ..
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They replaced the ECU with a brand new one before they did the downpipe, so it's not anything to do with the flash.
Bryan, I think the car has been returned to 100% stock (over the course of months, they finally replaced the aftermarket downpipe they sold with it with a OEM downpipe).
One thing I'm wondering is if the previous owner messed with the TCU...
One thing I'm wondering is if the previous owner messed with the TCU...