Recurring P1235 code...
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Mitsubishi warranyt service is legendary in its crappiness. Perhaps you should have researched this. On top of that, the only thing worse than thier warranty service, is the thier ability to actually fix these cars if anything goes wrong. You are better off finding a competent non dealer shop that specializes in, or is at least familiar with Evo's, and PAYING them for service or fixing it yourself.
Under Colorado lemon law, it doesn't matter whether or not a car is used or new. It all has to do with the original date of purchase. Either way, Mitsubishi has provided me with a car that I had many of the problems within the first year, and has been unable to fix it. I'm paying a payment and insurance for a vehicle I'm unable to use, now two months of that. The argument is that I could be making better use of that money, or it could go towards another vehicle that actually works. Top it off with the fact that I'm lucky enough to have another vehicle to drive. What if I didn't? What if it were some poor guy that bought this car and it was his daily driver? 2 months of rental cars, on top of the hassle of having to deal with all that, is absurd. Top it all off with the fact that this issue should be covered by Mitsubishi past warranty expiration. The fact that this is such a big problem means that Mitsu should be required to fix it if it continues to happen past warranty expiration.
You also have to remember, this isn't MY fault either. So whether or not Mitsubishi goes after the dealership for selling a modified car, I don't really care. Someone is at fault here, and it's not me. I made a concerted effort to understand that the car had not been modified, when I bought it.
The other argument is that Mitsubishi has totally dropped the ball, and isn't living up to their end of the warranty work. 2 months of shop time, and 8 total months, is far from acceptable.
You also have to remember, this isn't MY fault either. So whether or not Mitsubishi goes after the dealership for selling a modified car, I don't really care. Someone is at fault here, and it's not me. I made a concerted effort to understand that the car had not been modified, when I bought it.
The other argument is that Mitsubishi has totally dropped the ball, and isn't living up to their end of the warranty work. 2 months of shop time, and 8 total months, is far from acceptable.
Hopefully they'll either fix it, or buy it off of you!
didn't sell the car, the used car lot for that dealership did. I understand the lemon law still applies, but this isn't 's fault. How were they to know they had a bad car returned? Even you said it took you a while for this to happen. I'm not saying the car isn't a lemon, but I don't think the blame should be placed 100% on since there is no telling what the previous owner did. I think the best thing to do is to get a hold of the previous owner and ask him wth he did to it. I don't think it should have taken this long for the techs to figure it out. I have a feeling the previous owner did something (hints coming from the downpipe), and they just can't figure out what he did.
BTW, can I ask how much you saved buying a used one vs a new one?
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But that's my point, didn't sell the car, the used car lot for that dealership did. I understand the lemon law still applies, but this isn't 's fault. How were they to know they had a bad car returned? Even you said it took you a while for this to happen. I'm not saying the car isn't a lemon, but I don't think the blame should be placed 100% on since there is no telling what the previous owner did.
I think the best thing to do is to get a hold of the previous owner and ask him wth he did to it. I don't think it should have taken this long for the techs to figure it out. I have a feeling the previous owner did something (hints coming from the downpipe), and they just can't figure out what he did.
BTW, can I ask how much you saved buying a used one vs a new one?
didn't sell the car, the used car lot for that dealership did. I understand the lemon law still applies, but this isn't 's fault. How were they to know they had a bad car returned? Even you said it took you a while for this to happen. I'm not saying the car isn't a lemon, but I don't think the blame should be placed 100% on since there is no telling what the previous owner did. I think the best thing to do is to get a hold of the previous owner and ask him wth he did to it. I don't think it should have taken this long for the techs to figure it out. I have a feeling the previous owner did something (hints coming from the downpipe), and they just can't figure out what he did.
BTW, can I ask how much you saved buying a used one vs a new one?
As for what I saved, it's hard to say because part of the price of that car was negative equity from my trade in. I bet you could get a better deal on a 2008 MR, brand new, right now, than what I paid for it. Essentially, with the negative equity, it was $40k, for a car with a new sticker of $42,900. I'm going to guess about $4k in negative equity.
The only thing we're asking Mitsubishi to do, is buy the car back. If they do that, I'll be happy enough that I will, undoubtedly, buy a 2010 when they are on their way out, and the next model year is coming in.
No the MUTIII cannot read the number of 'burns' done on the ECU .. it reads the serials on the rom though
I've run MD5sum and SHA1sum checks on several different ROMs (same ROM ID) from different cars and they are all the same, which means they're the exact same file and contents.
I suspect the VIN is stored somewhere else and not in the ROM space that we are flashing.
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So, we'll see. Without that car, I'd be freaking rich! lol. It also sucks because I'm hesitant to do any modifications to the car (stereo, backup camera, accessport, ABE, etc) because now I know I may not have it long...
Well modding it wouldn't be wise until it's 100% stable anyways. But the good thing is you can put the parts on your next X 
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I'd be suing the dealership though... bring a lawsuit in front of them (with all the stats) and say if they don't buy the car back they will have a nice lawsuit on their hands. I bet they buy the car back. If that doesn't get their attention, then go for.
.I'd be suing the dealership though... bring a lawsuit in front of them (with all the stats) and say if they don't buy the car back they will have a nice lawsuit on their hands. I bet they buy the car back. If that doesn't get their attention, then go for
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So, Mitsubishi is obviously starting to get the hint. I was told on Monday that a guy was going to look at the car on Tuesday. I got another call from Mitsubishi corporate on Monday saying that they were escalating my case. Then yesterday, I got a call form the service manager saying that Mitsubishi was flying someone out today, to look at the car.
So, something is happening today, but who knows what.
So, something is happening today, but who knows what.
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Wow, I just got another call from Mitsubishi. This time, someone new. Her name is Charisma Justice. What a name, right? She got to hear the story, and made it clear that they have moved this to the top of the list, and that the district manager is working with an Evo platform engineer to resolve the problem.
It's about f*cking time
It's about f*cking time
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Another update.
District manager was out yesterday with the service manager at my dealership. They took the car for about 90 miles into the mountains to try and reproduce the problem, but they couldn't. Part of the problem was that they were being somewhat reserved because the last two times the code was thrown, they took the freeze-frame data, and tried to replicate that. It's usually 5th gear, about 4800 RPM, and full throttle. Last time it got thrown I was going 86 mph, and they were trying to obey the speed limit. Otherwise, they have gone through the entire flowchart of repairs, and found nothing else they can fix.
Aside from that, Mitsubishi has received the letter from my attorney about buying the car back from me. Service manager said that now he has to wait to hear from Mitsu, so their lawyers can communicate with mine. But they have absolutely nothing else they can do with the car. So, now I'm stuck with a car that even Mitsubishi can't fix.
District manager was out yesterday with the service manager at my dealership. They took the car for about 90 miles into the mountains to try and reproduce the problem, but they couldn't. Part of the problem was that they were being somewhat reserved because the last two times the code was thrown, they took the freeze-frame data, and tried to replicate that. It's usually 5th gear, about 4800 RPM, and full throttle. Last time it got thrown I was going 86 mph, and they were trying to obey the speed limit. Otherwise, they have gone through the entire flowchart of repairs, and found nothing else they can fix.
Aside from that, Mitsubishi has received the letter from my attorney about buying the car back from me. Service manager said that now he has to wait to hear from Mitsu, so their lawyers can communicate with mine. But they have absolutely nothing else they can do with the car. So, now I'm stuck with a car that even Mitsubishi can't fix.
Well at this point, I'd take it to a tuner. If is done trying to fix it, take it to a very reputable tuner and have them fix it. Odds are they will get it. Don't let them tune it, just find the issue.
is done trying to fix it, take it to a very reputable tuner and have them fix it. Odds are they will get it. Don't let them tune it, just find the issue.
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I've done that, when the car is actually having the transmission issue. However, replicating the code being thrown, isn't easy, so it'd be really difficult to take this guy on a ride with me, everywhere I go, until I can throw it.
Either way, I got the car to throw the code again on the way to work this morning. I'm taking it in at 1 today to have them pull the code and capture freeze frame data. At this point, I'm hoping they just buy the damn thing back from me.