Recurring P1235 code...
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"a tech is either qualified or not."
there are no competent diagnostic techs at this dealer
"Telling webman that he failed by not going to another dealer than where he bought the car from is absolutely ridiculous"
okay, he made an error in judgment. It's irrelevant where he bought the car, or what they've done or said. Just because they are at fault doesn't mean they can fix the problem. They are incapable of fixing the car.
Bottom line. What's the easiest quickest way to get the car fixed?
find a competent mechanic, and it's obviously not at this dealership
t a k e -- i t -- s o m e w h e r e -- e l s e
I would LMAO if it's just a boost pill after they replaced the ECU.
there are no competent diagnostic techs at this dealer
"Telling webman that he failed by not going to another dealer than where he bought the car from is absolutely ridiculous"
okay, he made an error in judgment. It's irrelevant where he bought the car, or what they've done or said. Just because they are at fault doesn't mean they can fix the problem. They are incapable of fixing the car.
Bottom line. What's the easiest quickest way to get the car fixed?
find a competent mechanic, and it's obviously not at this dealership
t a k e -- i t -- s o m e w h e r e -- e l s e
I would LMAO if it's just a boost pill after they replaced the ECU.
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Find a competent tech. All this time and you've only tried one dealer? Fail. Out of all Mitsu dealers I would estimate only 1/3 to 1/2 have one really good diagnostic tech. I don't think this is a problem with Mitsu's engineering of the car, it's a problem with something the previous owner did.
Lawyers are usually not the answer, all they do is add to the problem.
Just like your lawyer advised you let them try to fix it before you tell them you're taking legal action, once you do that it all goes into lock-up and that's where you're at now. And talking about it on a public forum is not wise cuz Mitsu reads these forums.
Lawyers are usually not the answer, all they do is add to the problem.
Just like your lawyer advised you let them try to fix it before you tell them you're taking legal action, once you do that it all goes into lock-up and that's where you're at now. And talking about it on a public forum is not wise cuz Mitsu reads these forums.
If mitsu is reading this forum, then I am happy they are. I'm sharing ONLY FACTUAL DATA. I have not been asked by Mitsubishi to stop talking about this case publicly, and until they do so, I'll continue to be vocal about the issue. Mitsubishi drug their feet (quite reminiscent of the Toyota crap going on right now) until I got my lawyer involved. Now they're on top of it, and responding to my requests. I even went to the dealership and spoke with both the service manager AND the sales managers before contacting a lawyer, and told them I was giving them the opportunity to solve the issue before I got a lawyer involved. They pretty much said "whatever". The sales manager said to me "Good luck with that. I've been working for Mitsubishi for a very long time, and I've never heard of them buying a car back".
I've been nothing but easy to deal with throughout this whole thing, and have made every effort to work with Mitsubishi on this issue. But after 6 months of "We have no idea what is wrong" I decided it was time. My biggest mistake was not getting a lawyer involved sooner. Maybe it'd all be over by now.
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Originally Posted by CO Lemon Law
42-10-103 Failure to conform vehicle to warranty - replacement or return of vehicle.
(1) If the manufacturer, its agent, or its authorized dealer is unable to conform the motor vehicle to the warranty by repairing or correcting the defect or condition which substantially impairs the use and market value of such motor vehicle after a reasonable number of attempts, the manufacturer shall, at its option, replace the motor vehicle with a comparable motor vehicle or accept return of the motor vehicle from the consumer and refund to the consumer the full purchase price, including the sales tax, license fees, and registration fees and any similar governmental charges, less a reasonable allowance for the consumer's use of the motor vehicle. Refunds shall be made to the consumer and lien holder, if any, as their interests may appear. A reasonable allowance for use shall be that amount directly attributable to use by the consumer and any previous consumer prior to the consumer's first written report of the nonconformity to the manufacturer, agent, or dealer and during any subsequent period when the vehicle is not out of service by reason of repair.
(2)
(a) It shall be presumed that a reasonable number of attempts have been undertaken to conform a motor vehicle to the warranty if:
(i) The same nonconformity has been subject to repair four or more times by the manufacturer, its agent, or its authorized dealer within the warranty term or during a period of one year following the date of the original delivery of the motor vehicle to the consumer, whichever is the earlier date, but such nonconformity continues to exist; or
(ii) The motor vehicle is out of service by reason of repair for a cumulative total of thirty or more business days of the repairer during the term specified in subparagraph (I) of this paragraph (a) or during the period specified in said subparagraph (I), whichever is the earlier date.
(b) For the purposes of this subsection (2), the term of a warranty, the one-year period, and the thirty-day period shall be extended by any period of time during which repair services are not available to the consumer because of war, invasion, strike, or fire, flood, or other natural disaster.
(c) In no event shall a presumption under paragraph (a) of this subsection (2) apply against a manufacturer unless the manufacturer has received prior written notification by certified mail from or on behalf of the consumer and has been provided an opportunity to cure the defect alleged. Such defect shall count as one nonconformity subject to repair under subparagraph (I) of paragraph (a) of this subsection (2).
(d) Every authorized motor vehicle dealer shall include a form, containing the manufacturer's name and business address, with each motor vehicle owner's manual on which the consumer may give written notification of any defect, as such notification is required by paragraph (c) of this subsection (2), and the form shall clearly and conspicuously disclose that written notification by certified mail of the nonconformity is required, in order for the consumer to obtain remedies under this article.
(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney fees to the prevailing side in any action brought to enforce the provisions of this article.
(1) If the manufacturer, its agent, or its authorized dealer is unable to conform the motor vehicle to the warranty by repairing or correcting the defect or condition which substantially impairs the use and market value of such motor vehicle after a reasonable number of attempts, the manufacturer shall, at its option, replace the motor vehicle with a comparable motor vehicle or accept return of the motor vehicle from the consumer and refund to the consumer the full purchase price, including the sales tax, license fees, and registration fees and any similar governmental charges, less a reasonable allowance for the consumer's use of the motor vehicle. Refunds shall be made to the consumer and lien holder, if any, as their interests may appear. A reasonable allowance for use shall be that amount directly attributable to use by the consumer and any previous consumer prior to the consumer's first written report of the nonconformity to the manufacturer, agent, or dealer and during any subsequent period when the vehicle is not out of service by reason of repair.
(2)
(a) It shall be presumed that a reasonable number of attempts have been undertaken to conform a motor vehicle to the warranty if:
(i) The same nonconformity has been subject to repair four or more times by the manufacturer, its agent, or its authorized dealer within the warranty term or during a period of one year following the date of the original delivery of the motor vehicle to the consumer, whichever is the earlier date, but such nonconformity continues to exist; or
(ii) The motor vehicle is out of service by reason of repair for a cumulative total of thirty or more business days of the repairer during the term specified in subparagraph (I) of this paragraph (a) or during the period specified in said subparagraph (I), whichever is the earlier date.
(b) For the purposes of this subsection (2), the term of a warranty, the one-year period, and the thirty-day period shall be extended by any period of time during which repair services are not available to the consumer because of war, invasion, strike, or fire, flood, or other natural disaster.
(c) In no event shall a presumption under paragraph (a) of this subsection (2) apply against a manufacturer unless the manufacturer has received prior written notification by certified mail from or on behalf of the consumer and has been provided an opportunity to cure the defect alleged. Such defect shall count as one nonconformity subject to repair under subparagraph (I) of paragraph (a) of this subsection (2).
(d) Every authorized motor vehicle dealer shall include a form, containing the manufacturer's name and business address, with each motor vehicle owner's manual on which the consumer may give written notification of any defect, as such notification is required by paragraph (c) of this subsection (2), and the form shall clearly and conspicuously disclose that written notification by certified mail of the nonconformity is required, in order for the consumer to obtain remedies under this article.
(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney fees to the prevailing side in any action brought to enforce the provisions of this article.
I'll reply more... I've been following this issue from the beginning... I'm sorry Webman. Honestly this kind of stuff is making me reconsider ever buying another mitsubishi. My wife is a few months from buying a 2010 Ralliart. If your issue isn't resolved by then I may tell her to not do it.
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I fear that the deeper this goes, the closer Mitsu is to completely denying your claim because they'll note that the vehicle was modified (even though it wasn't by you). Unfortunately, you don't have undeniable proof that the vehicle was modified when you bought it. It's your word against the dealership and we all know the dealership is going to say they sold the car in stock condition. You're only hope would be if your dealership was dumb enough to put the aftermarket downpipe on the bill of sale. So, they could argue that you modded the car (even though you didn't, you can't prove them wrong) and those modification led to all the problems. Especially if they find the boost pill is missing, and they already know it had an aftermarket downpipe on it.
I hope it doesn't work out this way, but that could be why they aren't responding to your lawyer and not treating this as a lemon.
I hope it doesn't work out this way, but that could be why they aren't responding to your lawyer and not treating this as a lemon.
The dealership has already acknowledged that they sold the car with the downpipe already installed I believe. The knew about the d/p from the first time he went into the dealership so hopefully they won't be able to try this.
This just gets more ridiculous as the story unfolds..... Sue them and get them to buy that car back. Complain to head office about the dumb a** manager who told you whatever and get him fired. If he can't do his job he shouldn't be in that job. I hope you either get a new Evo or find something else (STi could be an option).
This isn't to say everyones experience has been bad (although mine has), but it just goes to show that a large corporation like mitsu cant even get this right, in the grand scheme of things, this shouldnt be a large issue for mitsu but we all know the manager is afraid of loosing his job (which is enevitable as he is truly stupid).
Webman, i'm feeling for and keeping a close eye on this. I'm sorry to the lovers but i took a plunge buying a mitsu and their policies are outrageous.
This isn't to say everyones experience has been bad (although mine has), but it just goes to show that a large corporation like mitsu cant even get this right, in the grand scheme of things, this shouldnt be a large issue for mitsu but we all know the manager is afraid of loosing his job (which is enevitable as he is truly stupid).
Webman, i'm feeling for and keeping a close eye on this. I'm sorry to the lovers but i took a plunge buying a mitsu and their policies are outrageous.
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I know that they've admitted it, but I believe they've only done that verbally. And, like I said, if it's his word vs. their word, that unfortunately won't hold up in a court of law. I really, really, really hope it doesn't come to that because that would be absolutely ****ty
And yeah, if Mitsu tried to claim the whole "modified" BS, then I'll sue the dealership for selling me a car with a warranty in tact, but with parts that voided it. Meaning their inspection was a complete failure. This is why I went to the dealership and gave them the opportunity to fix the issue before I found a lawyer. Because now, you KNOW if Mitsubishi finds that it's because of the modification, and they don't come after me for it, they ARE going to go after the dealership for their failure to find the modification. I even made that clear to the sales manager before contacting a lawyer. I said "I'd hate for mitsubishi to come back at you after it's all said and done, and sue you because you sold me a modified car they ended up having to buy back" That's when the guy told me he hadn't seen mitsubishi buy a car back ever, so he was cocky confident.
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I do have one technical question though.
Let's say that the guy pulled the boost pill. Wouldn't it be SUPER easy to get the car to throw the code? Like every single time I build full boost? I would think it'd be consistent enough to throw the code consistently, but it's VERY inconsistent, and very hard to duplicate.
Let's say that the guy pulled the boost pill. Wouldn't it be SUPER easy to get the car to throw the code? Like every single time I build full boost? I would think it'd be consistent enough to throw the code consistently, but it's VERY inconsistent, and very hard to duplicate.
I do have one technical question though.
Let's say that the guy pulled the boost pill. Wouldn't it be SUPER easy to get the car to throw the code? Like every single time I build full boost? I would think it'd be consistent enough to throw the code consistently, but it's VERY inconsistent, and very hard to duplicate.
Let's say that the guy pulled the boost pill. Wouldn't it be SUPER easy to get the car to throw the code? Like every single time I build full boost? I would think it'd be consistent enough to throw the code consistently, but it's VERY inconsistent, and very hard to duplicate.
I'd suggest heading to lookout mountain, the first climb should even suffice. If not, head a bit up I70, the first downhill 7% grade, turn around and do the climb there. Should be able to get your code every time.
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We were able to get mine to do a 1235 by finding a good incline, dropping to 3rd or 4th low RPM then going WOT. This puts it in a good position to build boost early at a high load and for us, was doing it 9/10 times.
I'd suggest heading to lookout mountain, the first climb should even suffice. If not, head a bit up I70, the first downhill 7% grade, turn around and do the climb there. Should be able to get your code every time.
I'd suggest heading to lookout mountain, the first climb should even suffice. If not, head a bit up I70, the first downhill 7% grade, turn around and do the climb there. Should be able to get your code every time.
But yes, as you said, it's ALWAYS WOT. My favorite hill is the one from where 6 splits off from I70 to go to Black Hawk, heading East on I70. That hill is so much fun, and STEEP. But I can't always make it do it even on there. Seems to always happen while boost is still building, but almost 100%.
Funny you say lookout mountain. I've never taken it up there, but the service manager from skyline, along with the mitsu district manager, took it up lookout mountain and didn't have any issues.
But yes, as you said, it's ALWAYS WOT. My favorite hill is the one from where 6 splits off from I70 to go to Black Hawk, heading East on I70. That hill is so much fun, and STEEP. But I can't always make it do it even on there. Seems to always happen while boost is still building, but almost 100%.
But yes, as you said, it's ALWAYS WOT. My favorite hill is the one from where 6 splits off from I70 to go to Black Hawk, heading East on I70. That hill is so much fun, and STEEP. But I can't always make it do it even on there. Seems to always happen while boost is still building, but almost 100%.
What is Colorado's lemon law exactly?
I'll reply more... I've been following this issue from the beginning... I'm sorry Webman. Honestly this kind of stuff is making me reconsider ever buying another mitsubishi. My wife is a few months from buying a 2010 Ralliart. If your issue isn't resolved by then I may tell her to not do it.
I'll reply more... I've been following this issue from the beginning... I'm sorry Webman. Honestly this kind of stuff is making me reconsider ever buying another mitsubishi. My wife is a few months from buying a 2010 Ralliart. If your issue isn't resolved by then I may tell her to not do it.
Honestly in Webman's position I would have tuned that car 8.5 months ago and been on my merry way.
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Sadly, my 2009 Lancer GTS is one of the best cars I've ever owned, and I traded it in for this POS. I've got a Toyota Camry as a rental car right now, and if I had a choice between the two, I'd still choose the Lancer. Toy Lancer has a more comfy interior, and strangely, looks less "rental car" than my rental car, lol.