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Originally Posted by EVOoperator
If you want to see some pics of the next EVO engine check here:
http://www.allpar.com/mopar/world-engine.html
http://www.allpar.com/mopar/world-engine.html
Hyundai will not be the engine supplier for other makes. Only engineering was shared. DaimlerChrysler already is retooling one of their engine plants to build this "world" engine which will be used 1st in the Neon replacement, the Caliber. I can only assume that Mitsu will be doing the same for their Lancer plants.
Hyundai might be designing the block but they won't be building it for the others. In addition, the other details such as engine management, intakes, variable valve timing, etc. will be designed by their respective makers.
This collaboration also extends to the mid-size sedans (Galant, Sebring, etc). Eventually they too will share the same platform and Chrysler will lead the development on the V6 engine. This will replace Mitsu's 3.8L motor and Chrysler's 2.7L motor with a common block. The 4 cylcinder motor will likely be derived from the motor we've been talking about above. I'm not sure what Hyundai uses but this supposedly will affect the next generation Sonata. The Sebring/Stratus replacement is long overdue and will be the 1st car to get this platform in 2007.
Hyundai might be designing the block but they won't be building it for the others. In addition, the other details such as engine management, intakes, variable valve timing, etc. will be designed by their respective makers.
This collaboration also extends to the mid-size sedans (Galant, Sebring, etc). Eventually they too will share the same platform and Chrysler will lead the development on the V6 engine. This will replace Mitsu's 3.8L motor and Chrysler's 2.7L motor with a common block. The 4 cylcinder motor will likely be derived from the motor we've been talking about above. I'm not sure what Hyundai uses but this supposedly will affect the next generation Sonata. The Sebring/Stratus replacement is long overdue and will be the 1st car to get this platform in 2007.
Based on the concept car, the Evo X is going to be an absolutely beautiful car. Even people who aren't into compact sport cars think that the Concept-X is a sweet looking car. I really think Mitsu will have a winner on its hands.
I'm not holding my breath for it, but the SEMA show Eclipse that had an Evo drivetrain would be a wonderful idea. But I don't know how well such a car would sell. The last GSX models never accounted for more than a few percent of overall Eclipse sales. I think this was mostly due the cost. Back in the late 90's an Eclipse GSX stickered for over $26K. In today's dollars, I would imagine that a new GSX would sticker at $36K on more (the current Eclipse GT is about $26K loaded).
I'm not holding my breath for it, but the SEMA show Eclipse that had an Evo drivetrain would be a wonderful idea. But I don't know how well such a car would sell. The last GSX models never accounted for more than a few percent of overall Eclipse sales. I think this was mostly due the cost. Back in the late 90's an Eclipse GSX stickered for over $26K. In today's dollars, I would imagine that a new GSX would sticker at $36K on more (the current Eclipse GT is about $26K loaded).
A loaded auto GT runs ~$28,700.
Mitsubishi can't afford to switch over to the world engines completely yet, so the current 3.8 will stick around for quite a while, so will the 4G69. It'll be 2009 when the new Galant and Endeavor come out before we see the new engines in those platforms. The Lancer's will see only one of the 4 cylinder's first, and eventually the other will show. The Outlander gets the new 3.0L 6, but again, it'll be the only option for a while. Each of the three manufacturers involved have their own plants to build the engines in Japan, the U.S., and Korea.
Mitsubishi can't afford to switch over to the world engines completely yet, so the current 3.8 will stick around for quite a while, so will the 4G69. It'll be 2009 when the new Galant and Endeavor come out before we see the new engines in those platforms. The Lancer's will see only one of the 4 cylinder's first, and eventually the other will show. The Outlander gets the new 3.0L 6, but again, it'll be the only option for a while. Each of the three manufacturers involved have their own plants to build the engines in Japan, the U.S., and Korea.
If the 4g63 engine will not be in the EVO X, then I really doubt that the replacement will be as good. The 4g63 has been in production for 17 years and it has been perfected over the years. Any engine replacing it will have growing pains. If the new 2.0 engine is all aluminum will it be as strong as a steel block? If the new engine is open deck, then there is no way in hell it can handle as much extra boost as the 4g63.
Just as an anecdote I will share the story of the SR20DE and the QR25DE. Nissan used the indestructible SR20DE from 1989 to 2002 here and in Japan. In Japan it was turbo charged in the Silvia, in the US it was NA. With the SR20 you can slap an aftermarket turbo kit and put down 400 whp on stock internals and rev to 7800 rpm. It was that good.
In 2003 Nissan introduced the QR25DE in the Spec V. It SUCKED. It does not rev beyond 6100 rpm, it has an open deck design so it cannot handle beyond 6 psi of boost, and it blows headgaskets on the track under htolapping/racing conditions.
We had both the SR20 and the QR25 and there is no comparison between the two. Even though it is an old design the SR20 is head and shoulders better than the QR.
I really hope for Mitsu's sake that the new 2.0 is better than the 4g63, but I have serious doubts that it will be. That is why I will get a 2007 IX and wait until the new engine gets some years under its belt.
Just as an anecdote I will share the story of the SR20DE and the QR25DE. Nissan used the indestructible SR20DE from 1989 to 2002 here and in Japan. In Japan it was turbo charged in the Silvia, in the US it was NA. With the SR20 you can slap an aftermarket turbo kit and put down 400 whp on stock internals and rev to 7800 rpm. It was that good.
In 2003 Nissan introduced the QR25DE in the Spec V. It SUCKED. It does not rev beyond 6100 rpm, it has an open deck design so it cannot handle beyond 6 psi of boost, and it blows headgaskets on the track under htolapping/racing conditions.
We had both the SR20 and the QR25 and there is no comparison between the two. Even though it is an old design the SR20 is head and shoulders better than the QR.
I really hope for Mitsu's sake that the new 2.0 is better than the 4g63, but I have serious doubts that it will be. That is why I will get a 2007 IX and wait until the new engine gets some years under its belt.
has a bad habit of showing us one thing and delivering another. Case in point, 3rd and 4th gen eclipse. It'd be cool if the ten looked like that, but somehow I'm thinking it'll end up looking different.




