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Old Nov 27, 2005 | 11:46 PM
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EVO X will have 5-speed manual available

According to the Nov. 28, 2005 issue of AutoWeek, the EVO X will be available with with either the DSG (clutchless) transmission, or 5-speed manual with clutch pedal, and that the information comes from Mitsubishi Motors. Great news for traditional sports car enthusiasts, since original reports only talked about DSG.

Now if they can just keep the weight down . . .
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Old Nov 27, 2005 | 11:48 PM
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yay! I'm still not getting an EvoX...>.> lol good info tho.
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Old Nov 27, 2005 | 11:50 PM
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thats good news that they will offer a 5/spd manual w/ clutch. im still unsure as to if i would purchase the car though. ill just have to see it in person to decide.
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Old Nov 27, 2005 | 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by xtnct
What I like and need about a manual is the clutch for safety reasons. How many of you get in situations where you want to disengage the power instantly and just ride it out due to hitting a puddle, or you pushed to hard, etc. Applying the brakes or even the engine braking could upset the car. So all you do is put in the clutch, pray and ride it out.
I also would only buy a manual BUT I have to disagree with what you said there. One of the first things any performance driver trainer will teach you about car control is to always leave it in-gear (clutch pedal up and gearbox not in neutral) as long as possible, some of them prefer you to push down the clutch pedal a bit too late and stall the car rather than push it down too early. You have much more control over the car when it is in-gear so more chance of controlling what is going on and you have the extra engine braking to slow you down even if you can't control it. About the only situation I can think of is in a high speed spin if the car starts to travel backwards while you are in a forwards gear and the tyres have grip.


How many times did you have to panic brake due to the idiot in front of you, clutch in downshift to proper gear at the same time and get back on power again to go around the obstacle so the guy in the back does not hit you. I think with paddle shifting I could not select the right gear in a panic and I would bog down and not get away in time. I think this is needed in daily driving sitations. Not so much on the track, but on the street definitely yes - at least for me. And yes, I know the sequential trannies have a neautral, but by the time you select it, it may be too late and you then you still have to get back to the proper gear again. Also try doing all that in a panic sition.
Most sequential gearboxes (and the auto tiptronics or whatever) will skip a gear if you hit the paddle twice quickly, so they could go 4th to 2nd. Maybe still a bit hard to remember in a panic situation but in that situation I have trouble getting back to a lower gear (more than 1 below what I am in now) quickly anyway, I think that is because 2nd is a bit tricky on my gearbox and sometimes it won't go into 1st if I am still moving. That is also the type of change that is very tricky to rev match (with heel & toe if I am braking to avoid something) and I don't usually do it in that situation, I have to concentrate on not hitting whatever is in front of me.

The reason I wouldn't have anything other than a manual is because I feel more involved in the car and driving experience with a manual and I get a sort of satisfaction from doing it myself. I want you all to go out on a nice twisty road you know and try to find a corner where you come in on the brakes fairly hard, change down, spot the apex, begin to turn in, look to the exit, clip the apex, get on the power and fire it out, look ahead to the next corner and maybe change up a gear. Now do that over and over with a heel & toe rev match downshift until you get perfect gear changes, so smooth you can't feel them and the car stays completely balanced, then realise you did it all yourself and tell me it doesn't make you smile .
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 04:26 AM
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the front looks cool, but the rear is nasty, sides are nasty
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 07:12 AM
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If you will be racing your new X in a rally or a road race you will be faster in the paddle shifter equipped car. There I said it. That’s way the pros use paddle shifters. I don’t think anyone here can successfully argue otherwise. You would have to be a complete a$$ to not want the faster setup. So there it is… Decision made…
I’ll take the manual… Hang on you say! Well let me explain… You see I’ve driven a lot of cars with paddle shifters, every thing from Aston Martins to VW. And while some worked very well, very well indeed, none of them, not a single one, gave me that seat of the pants feeling that a manual box gives. Kinda like what I would imagine that old crop duster pilot feels when he’s pulling a few G’s.

Biplanes in the Jet Age.
Like that biplane pilot fearlessly zipping about sporting leather helmet and flying goggles so to, is the manual transmission.; a thing of yesteryear. Its days now numbered. And while it is easier, faster and maybe even more sensible to cruise at 30k feet in a modern corporate jet, it will never be as fun or as involving as that old biplane.

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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by wreckless969
When I said that it was more or less a proformance gain only in heads up, Im looking at the larger picture in terms of rally racing (The EVOs bread and butter) unlike a Ferrari in a heads up drag whiping an EVO around turns(even on a road course) can tend to put the steering wheel in a position that isnt its normal straight up and down. Where Im goign with this is in the few milliseconds that this auto manual tranny can shift you can lose that plus a bit more down shifting into a turn because the downsift peddle is now on the oppisite side and hard to reach do to your hands current position from turning.
I used to think the same thing, but in a lot of newer paddle shifting cars, the paddles aren't stationary; they move with the steering wheel and aren't attached to the steering column.
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by res04
Evo X wont be cheaper than the current model. People will pay $40k for the top of the line Evo no problem. People pay that now on MR's with dealer markups.

What are you basing this off of? The true fact is that it will be built and assembled in the US using a shared platform, which will be MUCH cheaper. If anything, I would say it's going to be LESS EXPENSIVE or the same as the current version.

If this thing comes in base model under 28k you're all going to freak out, but it's VERY likely (the current 4g eclipse is 1k less that the year previous).

Keep in mind you'll also have options for Navigation, SIRIUS radio, autotragic transmission and possibly SAYC. So while it will have a higher ceiling for a loaded one, the ones MOST enthusiasts will want should be cheaper.
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by TriCycle STI C
nice find. Car looks cool. But it's an auto.
Actually it's a paddle shift manual like the WRC cars. Although that doesn't matter cause we're looking at the concept x not the EVO X. I'm sure the production model is going to look like the other pics we've all seen not this.
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 09:55 AM
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i said it once, and i'll say it again. that looks like ***
+ 1 I hate it!!!!!!!!!
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 02:48 PM
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Just keep in mind production models never look as futuristic as the concepts. The concepts are meant to look so futuristic to catch your eye. These pics should just serve as an idea of what the interior will be shaped around. If you dont like these pics, just wait it out and see how the concepts change as it gets closer to production. just my .02
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 03:15 PM
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all that spaceship stuff looks like it's going to add to the weight of the X. bad news. the new eclipse is a fat pig. hope they don't do that to the X
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 03:18 PM
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looks nice. hope some of it makes it's way to the production vehicle.

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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 05:23 PM
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I say bring the EVO X on!! The mags are reporting that it will be offered with both the 6-spd paddles and 5-spd stick.

Regardless which is faster/smoother, etc... I'll take the stick... simply more involving and fun!!
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Old Nov 28, 2005 | 05:52 PM
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Watched a couple WRC video's with the Mitsu Evo. They have the paddles just on the right and the left. Also noted that there didn't seem to be any pause between shifts so I guess my question is... How do we know we are not getting a version of that for the X? Also, why would mitsu use DSG if they have there own version already for the rally car? Is the DSG the one in the rally car? I once read that they like the transmission in the A3 audi. I'm confused.
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