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Old Nov 27, 2005 | 12:27 AM
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Isn't this the PS version? I think this has been posted earlier and someone commented about the fact that it has Lexus IS300 headlights and front grille features.
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Old Nov 27, 2005 | 12:35 AM
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that is the fake concept, though it looks tight. Photoshoped....
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Old Nov 27, 2005 | 12:39 AM
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Mmm..I like it.
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Old Nov 27, 2005 | 12:42 AM
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Mmm...Its growing on me. I'm not feeling that interior though. I know it's a prototype so that wont be the production interior...but I still dont like it.



Overall I do like the car though. At first I hated it, but when I saw it on SpeedTV I cahnged my mind.



Edit: I still think the V and VI (and VI.5) is the best
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Old Nov 27, 2005 | 01:09 AM
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I dont like the look of that one. There was another concept floating around that looked sick as hell i wish they would have done that one.......oh well
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Old Nov 27, 2005 | 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Crackerballer
Boo, I know many people who buy the manual simply for the fun factor, half of the entire experience is being able to select the gears, and have that much more control over the car. Its like the idea of being able to hear the exhaust, turbo, BOV, road noise, have responsive steering, It makes you feel closer and more part of the car.

I am willing to bet that not 10% of people buy a manual to "impress" people. After owning an auto SS Camaro, I can tell you, the automatic should not even be an option (just like it isn't on the Cobras) And I think the slapstick/sportstronic trannys are a joke to manually controlling the car. I am not even sure I like the paddles on the Enzo.

I agree with you on all of this. Yes, I'm sure it's only a small percentage of drivers who get manuals for the "cool" factor, but in my opinion they also tend to be the most vocal. There's a difference between "getting your panties in a wad" and posting an intelligent reply that justifies why you actually want a manual with a clutch. Surprisingly, the replies to my post have actually been well thought out and certainly justify the preference. There may be hope for the EVO community yet LOL!

Is the sequential transmission in the EVO going to have an automatic option? I thought it was sequential manual only. I've also heard that the "options" available for shifting are going to be a bit more robust than just a basic paddle system. Does anyone have good sources of info that can confirm how the transmission will work?

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Old Nov 27, 2005 | 08:46 AM
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This is all well and good, and kind of funny. "The evolution of conversation and all." So I propose a couple questions. Are there any teams using paddle shift in Rally and how do they cope if they do? What would one do to fix the problem of having the paddles in the wrong place at the wrong time besides using a manual? One thing that I can think of is change the steering ratio, so that one wouldn't be as far away from the paddles in time of need. ...another might be to put the change the paddles to buttons, and put them on the steering wheel itself.

[Ramble mode on] Chances are that I won't be rally my car, so I wonder if the effect will be as magnified since I tipically don't change gears midcorner. [Ramble mode off]
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Old Nov 27, 2005 | 11:43 AM
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Some of the WRC manufacturers actually have changed the configuration on the paddle shifter as follows
I think Ford has a circular/ring style selector (like a paddle shifter) but a little bit smaller than the steering wheel, to change gear they pull the ring towards the driver, to downshift they push away from the driver, that way it doesn't matter where the steering wheel position is they will always reach the gear selector.
the same can be said for the regular paddle shifters, instead of having say the left designated for shifting up and the right for shifting down they can have both to shift up and down, like the above situation pull towards driver to shift up and push away from drive to shift down.
I personally think it will be a case of changing your driving style.
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Old Nov 27, 2005 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Cabo
Is the sequential transmission in the EVO going to have an automatic option? I thought it was sequential manual only. I've also heard that the "options" available for shifting are going to be a bit more robust than just a basic paddle system. Does anyone have good sources of info that can confirm how the transmission will work?
It is only a concept car so far so there probably aren't many details and if it is different to most of the current systems (even just the paddle bit) then they probably want to keep the details a bit secret for a while.

Apparently Mitsubishi have been testing the drivetrain, even at the Nurburgring I think, but in an Evolution IX body and that is backed up by the video from Tokyo that shows the new system working in an IX. I don't know if that included the sequential manual transmission though and from the incar footage in that video I don't think I saw anything different from the IX (no paddles or anything) so maybe they aren't testing it yet.

All the WRC teams use a sequential manual with some form of shifting device near the steering wheel. I think nearly all of them have the ring like Samdiver74 mentioned, or some variation of it anyway.
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Old Nov 27, 2005 | 03:22 PM
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yup, i agree with the majority, i dont like it! i love the front end on my viii!!! that is just hideousness though
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Old Nov 27, 2005 | 05:21 PM
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Regarding manual vs paddles/automatic....

The reason I prefer the manual over an automatic/paddles is simply for the sefaty aspect (wil explain in sec).

I think that 99% agree that automatics don't belong in this car, they have no feel to them and are no fun. I hate when the car shifts for me, even if it is faster then manual.

The sequential (paddle) trannys can be fun but I think they would be even more tiresome to drive in traffic on the way to work. Some have the automatic mode, but then you return to the no fun factor territory. Sequential trannies do shift faster and without errors! You will never again grind a gear again. You still have all the gear control and feel of a manual.

What I like and need about a manual is the clutch for safety reasons. How many of you get in situations where you want to disengage the power instantly and just ride it out due to hitting a puddle, or you pushed to hard, etc. Applying the brakes or even the engine braking could upset the car. So all you do is put in the clutch, pray and ride it out. How many times did you have to panic brake due to the idiot in front of you, clutch in downshift to proper gear at the same time and get back on power again to go around the obstacle so the guy in the back does not hit you. I think with paddle shifting I could not select the right gear in a panic and I would bog down and not get away in time. I think this is needed in daily driving sitations. Not so much on the track, but on the street definitely yes - at least for me. And yes, I know the sequential trannies have a neautral, but by the time you select it, it may be too late and you then you still have to get back to the proper gear again. Also try doing all that in a panic sition.

As far impressing people with a manual.... man grow up!

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Old Nov 27, 2005 | 07:00 PM
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i would assume something will be available within 6 months......
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Old Nov 27, 2005 | 09:56 PM
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should be a lot more than ours
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Old Nov 27, 2005 | 10:04 PM
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should be priced in the same range as current evos. The market for evos is typically the younger generations, making a little less money. They price it too high and it really becomes a different car for different people. I dont think mitsu would do that to the "cult" following the Evo has.

Hope not!
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Old Nov 27, 2005 | 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by livesports
should be priced in the same range as current evos. The market for evos is typically the younger generations, making a little less money. They price it too high and it really becomes a different car for different people. I dont think mitsu would do that to the "cult" following the Evo has.
too bad its not gonna be all mitsu choice
evo 10 will bring in a whole new crowd. especially if it comes with an auto tranny.
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