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Part of the appeal of the EVO is its "Bang for the Buck."
If the price pushes $40K, it loses that appeal bigtime.
Remember what happened to the Supra, RX-7, 300ZX, and 3000GT VR-4 in the US.
I love my EVO because it didn't cost much, yet thrills me as much or more than the Porsche, Z06 Vette and BMWs that I've owned. However, the EVO will never be accepted as an equal to those kinds of cars. It needs to stay true to its roots, and that includes PRICE.
I hope you are listening.
If the price pushes $40K, it loses that appeal bigtime.
Remember what happened to the Supra, RX-7, 300ZX, and 3000GT VR-4 in the US.
I love my EVO because it didn't cost much, yet thrills me as much or more than the Porsche, Z06 Vette and BMWs that I've owned. However, the EVO will never be accepted as an equal to those kinds of cars. It needs to stay true to its roots, and that includes PRICE.
I hope you are listening.
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... care to strike out?
275whp? Maybe 1 or 2, but that does not account to say that IX's dyno in that range. Link me to atleast 15 (just throwing out a number) IX's that dyno 275whp completely stock, 
True, but at the end of the day its still a BMW M5, not a blown Evolution X. It's just like guys say "I can build a ek to be faster than a price of a evo", but at the end of the day "he has an evo, you still have a civic hatch".
... care to strike out?
You're comparing two cars at completely different price points. That's like saying while the X looks good I'm going with the M5 because of it's V10 and I don't know what the potential of the 4B11 is.
You could buy the Evo, blow up 2 4b11's then do a 4G63 swap for the price of the M5.
You could buy the Evo, blow up 2 4b11's then do a 4G63 swap for the price of the M5.
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I think you missed where I was going with that. The guy said he is leaning towards the IS-F over the EvoX which is going to be significantly more expensive than the X. That's why I referenced the M5 which is probably going to be closer in price to the IS-F than an Evo (maybe an RS4 or new M3 would have been a better reference). I mean if I could afford an M5, an IS-F or two Evo's I would have the M5 or the IS-F in my garage without much debate.
OK, so here's my two cents (although most of it's been said before...)
The Evo X looks like a nice machine. It will likely be faster and handle even better than our existing cars.
But-- and this is just one owner's opinion-- I think something's been lost.
The previous/current Evo has an appealing minimalist aesthetic. The parts that you touch-- seats, steering wheel, shifter-- are the best you can get. The parts that touch the road-- engine, wheels, tires, and brakes-- ditto. Everything else is just there to hold these parts together. It's obvious that the Evo's a rather low-end Japanese sedan with a lot of go-fast bolted onto it.
In fact, "go fast" pretty much defines the vehicle. The steering wheel is devoid of fiddly buttons controlling radio volume and whatnot; our cars don't have automatic climate control or cruise control because these items do not make the car go faster. No power seat adjustments? Who's going to be driving the car besides you anyway?
The Evo doesn't suffer posers gladly. If loud and rough and summer tires and no stability control are too high a price to pay for your fun-- if you're not willing to invest some quality time in learning the capabilities of the car-- then may we show you this nice BMW or Mazdaspeed or STI?
Additionally, the Evo's one of the last cars that's easy to work on in your garage. Interior bits pop out obligingly for you to run the wiring to your radar detector, or to swap the positions of the gauge pack and the radio. An entire industry exists to satisfy your urges to modify the car to your personal taste.
We can't blame Mitsubishi for moving the Evo upscale. As I noted, it will be a better car on paper, and sales will doubtless increase, which is something the company desperately needs.
But still...the first thing I noticed in the interior photos of the Evo X was that the huge button laden spokes of the steering wheel will make it impossible to get the kind of firm, intimate grip you can get on the current Momo wheel. And that kinda says it all.
The Evo X looks like a nice machine. It will likely be faster and handle even better than our existing cars.
But-- and this is just one owner's opinion-- I think something's been lost.
The previous/current Evo has an appealing minimalist aesthetic. The parts that you touch-- seats, steering wheel, shifter-- are the best you can get. The parts that touch the road-- engine, wheels, tires, and brakes-- ditto. Everything else is just there to hold these parts together. It's obvious that the Evo's a rather low-end Japanese sedan with a lot of go-fast bolted onto it.
In fact, "go fast" pretty much defines the vehicle. The steering wheel is devoid of fiddly buttons controlling radio volume and whatnot; our cars don't have automatic climate control or cruise control because these items do not make the car go faster. No power seat adjustments? Who's going to be driving the car besides you anyway?
The Evo doesn't suffer posers gladly. If loud and rough and summer tires and no stability control are too high a price to pay for your fun-- if you're not willing to invest some quality time in learning the capabilities of the car-- then may we show you this nice BMW or Mazdaspeed or STI?
Additionally, the Evo's one of the last cars that's easy to work on in your garage. Interior bits pop out obligingly for you to run the wiring to your radar detector, or to swap the positions of the gauge pack and the radio. An entire industry exists to satisfy your urges to modify the car to your personal taste.
We can't blame Mitsubishi for moving the Evo upscale. As I noted, it will be a better car on paper, and sales will doubtless increase, which is something the company desperately needs.
But still...the first thing I noticed in the interior photos of the Evo X was that the huge button laden spokes of the steering wheel will make it impossible to get the kind of firm, intimate grip you can get on the current Momo wheel. And that kinda says it all.
That's a completely valid position. But I also think it's too soon to declare that
is killing the Evo just because the show prototype is "loaded".It'd be very easy for
to retain the current RS/base/MR trim levels in the X, and the RS could easily be available without the steering wheel buttons, climate control, fancy stereo...and AMT, of course.There's not really all that much difference between the RS/base/MR trim levels in the VIII/IX, but there's no reason they couldn't spread that out in the X, where the RS could be as "stripped" as the current RS, and the MR could have lots of comfort/convenience options beyond those available today.
They could easily satisfy both the old-school minimalists and those who've been clamoring for a more upscale Evo.
We'll just have to wait and see what
does.