erikgj, I think you forgot to add thicker head gaskets, improved larger external oil cooler, and better coolant passageway. All of which better comes in the USDM version

 

mr96gsx408 - you're right, the MR is gonna totally suck. don't waste any more of your time posting in this thread.

 

Yes your right better oil passageways also. The ACD system is improved over VII and VIIIs also.

The only negative for me is that the wing is black in all colors. I would prefer a body colored wing. Because I like the look to be more integrated. Also here in SoCal I know that it will attract cops that think it is aftermarket. I will have to keep a brochure in the car at all times and hope that they won’t want to take inventory under the hood.

Lighter wheels make a big difference for my intended use also.

 

For every hundred pounds of weight reduction I believe its like 1 tenth of a second faster in the quarter mile, At least thats what I read in Sport Compact years ago. Of course the faster your car is the harder it is for you to drop the quarter mile times. For example its easier to make a car go from a 14 second ride to a 13 second ride but when you want to drop a whole second more like from a 13 to a 12 it takes more power than it took you to go from a 14 to a 13. You say why? well, I will leave it up to the laws of physics on that one . Anyone please correct me if i'm wrong on that topic.

Thanx

Derek

 

Yes, it's physics and mostly overcoming the air resistance for which you need more power.
Mass (weight) matters when changing directions, and also accelerating and braking and on the wheels for spinning. The more mass you have the harder it is for your vehicle to stop doing what it's been doing (inertia).
People should google for Newton axioms and rotational acceleration.

 

Are they all as dumb as you?

A lot of people don't live for the 1/4 mile. I like to turn and brake along with my dose of acceleration. Lighter is always better, even in the 1/4, and you don't need 100 lbs to notice the difference - particularly when you're looking at unsprung rotating mass. Why do you think 16" rims are the best for DSMs? Because they're light and have lower rotational inertia than compable 17-18" rims.

As far as stripping the car, in an Evo dropping 100 lbs is about the same as adding 9 hp (straight line acceleration). So if someone can drop off 500 lbs, isn't that just as good as adding 50 hp? Or better, when you factor in the reduced braking distances/heat buildup and better handling?

 

Lighter IS better. Why don't you race bikes then and get rid of these crappy heavy cars with a horrible power to weight ratio.

I agree, I like turning too.. my jic flt-a2's on my gsx is awesome. Got it tuned and cornerbalanced the other day.

Yes, rotational interita is important, a lot of physics is required in my field. If you have a 4th grade reading level, I also said if you reduce your weight to close to 100lbs, you will notice a little difference, not nothing at all. And i'm sure you track race a lot by what you're telling me. You must be a pro seeing that 16 inch rims are the best for dsm's for torque and accellertion and not say that the width of the tire is also important. People only upgrade to bigger for better brakes. 9 horsepower for every 100lbs. Damn, you should go tell the F1 Engineers your amazing knowledge of physics. I'm sure they'll write it in their handbooks. I'm sure all of you guys are qualified mechanical engineers and not magazine racers.

And no, the MR will be a great machine. I might get one if I feel like selling my daily g35c. This is my last post. This thread has gone off topic enough... Mods should lock this tread...

P.S. since i'm such a forum talker guy, i'll tell you something that you should believe. I heard from a friend that watched best motoring!!! That one guy with a 86 corolla gts smoked the **** out a lot of newer cars on the touge! That means that ACD sucks, and real men use old fashoned technology to race. hahaha

 

Hopefully, mr96gsx408 won't post again, but if he does, is it possible for me to apply a filter so I don't see them? Thanks for the help.

Does anyone know if the MR has improved anti-roll bars, or is it solely the Bilstein struts and shocks that are changed in the suspension to improve the handling?

 

Yes, I believe you would click on their names and there is a ignore list and buddy list. I think that'll do the trick. Haven't tried it myself.

 

Thanks. I feel much better about my 3rd grade education now.

Unless you speak a different brand of English, you posted above that a weight change of less than 100 lbs has no effect on times. This is false. I suspect 99 lbs of weight reduction will do quite well.

Bikes - great fun, but I prefer a cage. Just me.

I didn't say anything about tire width, tread compound, or anything of the sort because it didn't pertain to what we are talking about - weight. Yes, a wider tire will weigh more than a narrower one, but for any given width, a 16" wheel/tire combo will weigh less and have less rotational inertia than an 18" one. The difference is large enough that unless you're going from a 9" wide 16" rim to a 6.5" wide 18" rim (highly unlikely), it's still true. And I'm sure in your highly physics intensive field, you use calculators - 9 hp or 100 lbs are both 3% changes to a stock Evo. Of course, the next 100 lbs would be 3.1%. I learned division in 2nd grade.

 

How many times do people have to mention this
You buy the car that is right for YOU.
How the hell you guys can even compare a USDM EVO to an STI?
For starters yes in the world rally championship they are competitors, BUT the cars are limited in their categories, ie 2.0 litre Injected, Turbo.

Now let me see, oh yeah the STI although is 300 HP, is also running a 2.5 litre engine, where as the EVO is a 2.0 litre running 271 HP, Compression ratios are different, Ft/lbs Torque is different, gearbox ratios are different, the cars are F@#king DIFFERENT.
In the UK the WRX is 2.0 litre DOHC Injected Turbo and guess what the HP is? 276
not like here where it is 227hp
Same with the EVO 2.0 litre DOHC Injected Turbo 276HP
You can blame the government for a lot of the crap, crash tests, emissions, fuel octane ratings and so on.
UK Super unleaded (premium) 98 octane
Florida Premium 93 Octane
The Govenment are the ones who regulate car manufacturers. There are loop holes in the system which is why we have fast cars. more about the government later.

with a few tweeks here and there the EVO as you all know can run at 345+ HP depending on how much you want to spend upgrading, same with the Scoobies,
both cars are awesome right out of the box.
Now if you live somewhere where you can use the cars to their full potential that is great, Twisty roads, mountains etc that is great that is the perfect environment for these kinds of cars, if you live in the rat race (City) like I do then where the hell do you expect to use that kind of power, Racing someone from traffic light to traffic light, come on idiots think about it, use you head not your cell phone whilst driving.
now this whole mentallity that most of you have is totally beyond me, cause you are all quick enough wanting to loose weight in your cars, remove sound deadening, remove this, remove that, change this, change that, and then to top it all off you add $5000+ of stereo equipment, which quess what? adds the weight and more back into your cars, now what is the logic behind that.
There was talk that the EVO MR came with a Head unit as an option, STI (No Stereo)
Now I don't know about you guys but I am not a rally driver, nor a nascar driver, or a F1 driver, I want to show my support and enthusiasm for the sport I like to follow which happens to be WRC but I use my car everyday and it is fun to drive, I'm certainly not going to remove the luxuries like electric windows, mirrors, Central locking, Sound deadening, CD player, AC just to reduce weight to make my car faster on the traffic light race.
When are you all going to wake up and smell the coffee.
If some of you track your cars then that is great you have reason to do the neccesary changes to improve your track times, if so then buy the RS but the rest of you it is all about braging rights, my cars got this, and my friends car has got that. BIG DEAL GROW UP

The everyday drive around town and the city is a battle field and it is getting worse as each day goes by,
Why cause
Example 1
you have soccer Mom, doing her makeup, talking on the cell phone, feeding her kids in the back and so on. everyday is the same she doesn't care if your driving a $33,000 car, she is just concerned with getting her kids to school

Example 2
You park your car to get groceries and you come out and guess what, Oh no there is a shopping cart up against your car, Siht it has scratched the paint and put a little dent in the door.

Example 3,
you go out with your buddies go clubbing one night lets take the EVO / STI
after the nightout you go back to your car and woops where is it? but that wouldn't happen right cause you got an imobiliser and an alarm etc well you car is still there but where is your spoiler gone and what is up with the door locks, oh no they stole the interior to my car, my recaros are gone my $5000 stereo is gone. Guess what? Now the insurance has got to pay up cause some little *** hole can't keep his hands to him self. Do you think the Police care, hell no. If they catch the guy he is out running free due to a loop hole in the system.
What about this for a ****ty way of life. enjoy what you have now.

In a few years the way gas prices are going, the major car manufacturers will have to comply with more government changes / Restrictions for fuel emissions and Noise polution and so on and make cars more fuel efficent, so guess whats going to happen? as the population continues to grow there are going to be more cars on the road, increased traffic in the cities, mean while the government is going to tax the siht out of everyone through their cars, how do I know this stuff, I used to live in the UK and that is what they did to us there, it is coming here as well.
The Police are going to have speed cameras all over the place, they don't even have to have a cop beside the camera, they send you the ticket and the fine with a photo of your car speeding in the mail, you can try and despute it if you want but it doesn't matter, as far as they are concerned someone was speeding in your car at this time of the day, on this day, at this location now pay up. Don't pay up and then you have a summons to appear in court. don't appear in court then you have a warrant out for your arrest.
Cops are the biggest thieves out there.
If any cops reply to this and they don't like what I have said then it is obviously the truth, The truth hurts does it not.

I hear you all say well they need to place those in school zones etc. well they do but don't forget the Interstate is restricted to 70 MPH, WOW we can get major revenue today if we set the camera to go off at 72 MPH and then tomorrow we can set it 71 MPH and then a week later we can set it to go off at 70 MPH
It is your word against theirs in court but meanwhile they are saving up to buy that helicopter their department has always wanted with your contributions.

Don't get me wrong I think cops do a great job most of the time, their job is difficult, but alot of innocent people get busted for some other A holes crime.
or the A holes gets let off with a slapped wrist and don't do that again mean while the victim is the one that looses out.

I am going to end now but think about the consequnces of your actions, you get what you wish for but there is also a reverse effect also that is called EVOLUTION
like this if you buy the best radar detector you can today, tomorrow the Police will have this new revolutionary Speed gun that no one was aware off, but I bought the best Radar detector yesterday, and now it doesn't work for this speed gun. EVOLUTION
it is always going to happen, yeah the MR is coming but don't you think that Subaru has something up their sleeve Guess what you guessed it EVOLUTION
But I bought a brand new Dell computer the best there is for $2000
Tomorrow: Dell anounces new computer which is 2x as fast as any machine out there, cost $2000 But I bought this one yesterday oh that is last years model. BAM EVOLUTION

Just enjoy what you have, Make it yours, customise it to how want it to drive and handle and so on, cause tomorrow Evolution is coming, be proud of owning a legend, cause tomorrow you will be looking back and saying I am glad I did that while I had the chance.

OUT

 

Wow. That's a hell of a rant.

 

I agree w/ the above LONG statement...All pretty d*mn true...So stop b**ching and just deal w/ it...

 

I have to raise a beer later this weekend to Samdiver74's post.

 

http://www.theevo.com/other/pdf/EVOVIII-MR-info.pdf

Anyone happen to notice the model and picture? It appears to be an RS.

Weight is 2921 lbs (1325 KG x 2.2046 lbs to Kilogram = 2921). Stripper '03/'04 Evo 8 (no sunroof) is 3263 lbs. That's a 342 pound difference, 10.5 percent in weight.

But this isn't the MR. The difference between '04 RS and '04 evo is around 120 lbs (no sunroof).

If the difference is the same the MR to RS, the new MR should be approximately 220 lbs less than the current '03/'04 evo, or approximately 3040 lbs, just like the Sam Mitani article in the first R/T edition of Speed said, (3085 lbs).