COBB EVO AccessPORT released and DYNO results
As I said before, with so many committed and smart people doing ECU disassembly the sky is the limit for Ecuflash. Cobb will always be palying catch-up since they have so many car models to tune (suby, Evo, Mazdaspeed 3) and so few people to do it.
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My point exactly, you think spending an extra $500 on a titanium exhaust to drop 10 pounds might be worth it, I think my car with a stainless exhaust will perform the same, which it will, to each his own (I could take a dump and save 10 pounds and it's free like ecuflash). Someone wants a hand held device that fits in their pocket and you want to leave your lap top in the car, who cares. For those who want to spend the $ get an AP, if you want to save $ then ecuflash. This thread is worthless now unless you want to read 11 pages about how cheap ecuflash is with free software and data logging, something everyone in here who has owned their evo for more than a day already knows. Instead of hijacking threads maybe you and Brian H can start your own entitled "I JUST SAVED A LOT OF MONEY BY SWITCHING TO GEICO AND ECUFLASH" then if people want to read about it they can visit your post.
Last edited by loscavio; Oct 30, 2007 at 02:35 AM.
My point exactly, you think spending an extra $500 on a titanium exhaust to drop 10 pounds might be worth it, I think my car with a stainless exhaust will perform the same, which it will, to each his own (I could take a dump and save 10 pounds and it's free like ecuflash). Someone wants a hand held device that fits in their pocket and you want to leave your lap top in the car, who cares. For those who want to spend the $ get an AP, if you want to save $ then ecuflash. This thread is worthless now unless you want to read 11 pages about how cheap ecuflash is with free software and data logging, something everyone in here who has owned their evo for more than a day already knows. Instead of hijacking threads maybe you and Brian H can start your own entitled "I JUST SAVED A LOT OF MONEY BY SWITCHING TO GEICO AND ECUFLASH" then if people want to read about it they can visit your post.
BTW, you can go MAFless using ECUflash and the stock ECU. Someone did it in the Ecuflash forum.
As I said before, with so many committed and smart people doing ECU disassembly the sky is the limit for Ecuflash. Cobb will always be palying catch-up since they have so many car models to tune (suby, Evo, Mazdaspeed 3) and so few people to do it.
As I said before, with so many committed and smart people doing ECU disassembly the sky is the limit for Ecuflash. Cobb will always be palying catch-up since they have so many car models to tune (suby, Evo, Mazdaspeed 3) and so few people to do it.
For those of you who have just tuned into our debate, let me summarize this thread. Cobb, another great tuner has decided to expand their focus to the Evo community. CPA5 has posted his results using the AP. Brian H is quick to point out how superior and cost effective ecuflash is, as well as point out numerous grammatical errors within the post. What I see is that ecuflash is currently the best tuning method to date, but in time Cobb and the AP will be able to do the same (no one is buying it for canned maps only). As far as cost is concerned it is a $30,000+ car, who wants to argue over a couple hundred bucks. Everyone in here is guilty of spending tons of cash on their car for little or no performance gains ($1300 for titanium exhaust to save 10 lbs, JDM ******, fuzzy dice, ect.) to each his own. I'm sure in time Cobb will do for the Evo community what the great pioneers like Buschur, AMS, and Brian H have done. Disclaimer: Let me be the first to apologize if I have used poor punctuation, spelling, spacing, or grammar.
Also, aside from a few initial posts where I had to correct someone I haven't spoken about pricing. Re-read my posts to cpa5, it had nothing to do with pricing but it did have everything to do with spewing incorrect information. As you pointed out it's a 30K vehicle and I've got a lot more in to it on top of that, so what's a few hundred dollars. I'm more concerned with functionality and a good product which meets my needs than I am with spending a few hundred dollars.
Why? This is a discussion forum. IF IA and their fanboy & his guardian want a thread where nobody can respond to inaccuracies and is all about promotion and sales of product then they should take the thread to their forum where they have the rights to prune threads however they see fit.
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Ouch what did I do to you to get that remark LOL if I really didnt want you guys to discuss this and put out your honest opinions as a vendor I wouldve locked this sucker along time ago. As I have said before to each his own Ive used EcuFlash on my personal car(EVO) and on others as well and its a good program but ive also seen what the AP can do and I plan on using the AP on my Legacy GT. So keep your heads on and let make this thread a less bashfest to an infofest
y? This is a discussion forum. IF IA and their fanboy & his guardian want a thread where nobody can respond to inaccuracies and is all about promotion and sales of product then they should take the thread to their forum where they have the rights to prune threads however they see fit.
Quick question for everyone. When we are talking about removing the restrictor pill, is that the pill that comes from the Vacuum tube that is closer to the front of the bay, on the solenoid? I just removed it with my stage 2 93 octane map on there and it didn't seem to help the issue I am seeing. I will only get full boost of about 19 psi, spiking to 21 occasionally, with a taper down to 17-18psi.
Any hints?
Any hints?
Once again I am amazed we're still on this
As far as cost benefit....I don't think there is one...AP costs more $$$....even with some additional addons to go along with ECUflash (what NJ1266 mentioned) like datalogging etc....the ECUflash method of Tuning is LESS EXPENSIVE....the AP has no benefit there.....the only thing I guess it can do more than ECUflash (to my understanding) is read error codes and clear some of them....so if ECUflash can do that too then definitely there is no $$ benefit to the AP over just using the FREE open software.
So, we have that established....AP cost more $$
FYI...the only thing I've said wrong in here....that AP can do what ECUflash can do....was not correct...and I've stated that....the only area where I believe I am wrong in that statement is concerning the AP handling an EVO with a different MAF....which is what BRIAN H has asked about....and COBB said if the peeps give feedback and that is really desired they could develop their software to handle it.....apart from that once Pro-Tune/Street-Tune software is out....and COBB has stated in here that once that happens all the tuning parameters that ECUflash can offer the AP will be able to handle....and ROB even said maybe even more parameters it would be able to handle....so once that happens the AP should be what ECUflash is....MINUS RIGHT NOW THE HANDLING OF A DIFFERENT MAF....
So I don't understand where I am wrong....If I am wrong COBB can chime in and tell me....but otherwise I feel confident I am only repeating what they have said.
In terms of "Fanboying"....unless you've viewed my "BUMPS" for IA in another Thread for their Group Buys and Sales Section...then I have no clue what you are talking about......like 6 pages back I posted my review of the AccessPORT and what it did for my car....and I mentioned how IA did a great job in doing all the work....Once again SUE me for saying THANK YOU to those guys....other than that I've only been positive in here on what the AP has done on my car.
SO...once again we are here...we all know that the AP costs more...it does things a little different...I would say until COBB develops the other software and is able to respond to customer demand then for sure ECUflash is better for most people...but some like what the AP can do....will do...and the PLUS SIDE of having COBB there to support their product......FOR ME THAT WAS WORTH THE $$$....I know for a fact I'll get more out of my purchase once PRO-TUNE is out and I can switch between some different Custom maps on the fly.
Now my fingers hurt and need to get back to work to pay for my EXPENSIVE TOYS
As far as cost benefit....I don't think there is one...AP costs more $$$....even with some additional addons to go along with ECUflash (what NJ1266 mentioned) like datalogging etc....the ECUflash method of Tuning is LESS EXPENSIVE....the AP has no benefit there.....the only thing I guess it can do more than ECUflash (to my understanding) is read error codes and clear some of them....so if ECUflash can do that too then definitely there is no $$ benefit to the AP over just using the FREE open software.
So, we have that established....AP cost more $$
FYI...the only thing I've said wrong in here....that AP can do what ECUflash can do....was not correct...and I've stated that....the only area where I believe I am wrong in that statement is concerning the AP handling an EVO with a different MAF....which is what BRIAN H has asked about....and COBB said if the peeps give feedback and that is really desired they could develop their software to handle it.....apart from that once Pro-Tune/Street-Tune software is out....and COBB has stated in here that once that happens all the tuning parameters that ECUflash can offer the AP will be able to handle....and ROB even said maybe even more parameters it would be able to handle....so once that happens the AP should be what ECUflash is....MINUS RIGHT NOW THE HANDLING OF A DIFFERENT MAF....
So I don't understand where I am wrong....If I am wrong COBB can chime in and tell me....but otherwise I feel confident I am only repeating what they have said.
In terms of "Fanboying"....unless you've viewed my "BUMPS" for IA in another Thread for their Group Buys and Sales Section...then I have no clue what you are talking about......like 6 pages back I posted my review of the AccessPORT and what it did for my car....and I mentioned how IA did a great job in doing all the work....Once again SUE me for saying THANK YOU to those guys....other than that I've only been positive in here on what the AP has done on my car.
SO...once again we are here...we all know that the AP costs more...it does things a little different...I would say until COBB develops the other software and is able to respond to customer demand then for sure ECUflash is better for most people...but some like what the AP can do....will do...and the PLUS SIDE of having COBB there to support their product......FOR ME THAT WAS WORTH THE $$$....I know for a fact I'll get more out of my purchase once PRO-TUNE is out and I can switch between some different Custom maps on the fly.
Now my fingers hurt and need to get back to work to pay for my EXPENSIVE TOYS
Last edited by CPA5; Oct 30, 2007 at 11:15 AM.
Please do not compare Xede to AP, they are 2 totally different engine management systems. Xede seemed to be its own worst enemy, that is why it has faded away. Kind of like Unichips for the Subaru market.
IA Performance is not saying the COBB AP will be the new GOD of EMS, it is simply a new device that is hitting the market. Use it, don't use it, but don't bash it without personal experience. This forum topic is to discuss the features and functions of the AP, not a CONSTANT comparison of Open source This is in large text so people skimming the thread can see it, I'm not yelling, that would be ALL CAPS and a lot of !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! here and there
evocharger- please condense your replies into one single reply. Do as the others are.
nj1266- MAF topic is already said and done, please read posts #111-116.
loscavio- good summary, it made me laugh.
tvor- correct. If your target boost is still not hitting the right number I can send you a COBB boost line. It has a smaller primary pill (i.e. your stock line has 2 to start with, you remove one) that will allow for more boost in climates over sea level. Simply send me an email and I"ll get one out to you free of charge today. stephen@iaperformance.com
iaperformance- gabe, I agree, let's keep this thing social, not a bash fest.
Stephen
IA Performance is not saying the COBB AP will be the new GOD of EMS, it is simply a new device that is hitting the market. Use it, don't use it, but don't bash it without personal experience. This forum topic is to discuss the features and functions of the AP, not a CONSTANT comparison of Open source This is in large text so people skimming the thread can see it, I'm not yelling, that would be ALL CAPS and a lot of !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! here and there
evocharger- please condense your replies into one single reply. Do as the others are.
nj1266- MAF topic is already said and done, please read posts #111-116.
loscavio- good summary, it made me laugh.
tvor- correct. If your target boost is still not hitting the right number I can send you a COBB boost line. It has a smaller primary pill (i.e. your stock line has 2 to start with, you remove one) that will allow for more boost in climates over sea level. Simply send me an email and I"ll get one out to you free of charge today. stephen@iaperformance.com
iaperformance- gabe, I agree, let's keep this thing social, not a bash fest.
Stephen
I do not believe that any "TOP" end limiter is removed (if there is one
)....or the 1st gear Launch Control limiter either.....I have never pushed my car passed the 110 mark and don't plan anytime soon to test that...as far as the launch control limiter I never thought to see if it has changed since I'm not a ***** out Launcher with my ride....but I could at least test it tonight to see if it changed.
Of course in all the info I've seen on the base maps from COBB nothing has been mentioned about that....I would assume once the additional tuning software is out that would be able to be addressed.
)....or the 1st gear Launch Control limiter either.....I have never pushed my car passed the 110 mark and don't plan anytime soon to test that...as far as the launch control limiter I never thought to see if it has changed since I'm not a ***** out Launcher with my ride....but I could at least test it tonight to see if it changed.Of course in all the info I've seen on the base maps from COBB nothing has been mentioned about that....I would assume once the additional tuning software is out that would be able to be addressed.
Last edited by CPA5; Oct 31, 2007 at 08:19 AM.
I was testing the release versions of Evo AccessTuner Pro (Professional Tune Shops) and AccessTuner Racer (For Individuals) on Friday. There will be a beta release to a few tuners shortly after Sema. Once we deem is solid (no problems so far), the AccessTuner Pro will be released. Very shortly after the AccessTuner Racer will be released. It would be sooner, but most of our crew is out this week.
I think this post got lost with the Discussion over the last couple days....so I just want to highlight this as GREAT NEWS!!!!!!!!
I'm looking forward to the release....I'd even be a beta version guinnea pig!!!!(I may have spelled the guinnea wrong...not sure
)IX LIVES...STAGE 2 HAPPY....but can't wait for PROTUNE!!!
CPA5,
Thanks.
I've heard that (too) that there is no top speed limiter on Evo's, but I've also heard there were. On my first Evo I had it flashed before ever finding out which was true.
The other limiter I was talking about was maximum revs; raised from the stock 7,650 to whatever the tuner sets it at/customer asks for. I forgot all about the stationary rev limiter, but I believe that can be bypassed (if one wishes to) simply by unhooking it.
Thanks.
I've heard that (too) that there is no top speed limiter on Evo's, but I've also heard there were. On my first Evo I had it flashed before ever finding out which was true.
The other limiter I was talking about was maximum revs; raised from the stock 7,650 to whatever the tuner sets it at/customer asks for. I forgot all about the stationary rev limiter, but I believe that can be bypassed (if one wishes to) simply by unhooking it.