Damnit... that's such an enticing offer...

Question: Can you use individual parts of the TBE? For example (just hypothetically speaking, I wouldn't necessarily do this), but could you keep the factory downpipe and cat and hook up the catback portion if I wanted to, and vice-versa? Or do the flanges not fit when you mix-and-match?

 

FYI---the COBB parts all work in conjuction with any of the stock set up you would want to keep....for example....stock DP, CAT, COBB CAT BACK, COBB DP, STOCK CAT, COBB CATBACK.....etc....etc...etc


BUT BRO....IA is willing to ship you a FULL TBE for FREE and THE AP TOO!!!! How can that be passed up???......Just today while driving back to work from the Police Dept. (I sold them Equipment...I wasn't in jail ) I was loving my Exhaust sound........AND THE SMELL TOO....NOW IVE GOT TRUE RACE CAR....while puttering around in 35mph tucson traffic!!!!!!

IX LIVES

 

Some pretty hefty statements here. I would be curious to hear the full story on the stolen technology. Seems hard to believe that the AP could offer more tuning options than ECUFlash. People are adding new tables, adding new features, and finding new things about optimizing the performance of an Evo on an almost weekly basis. The beauty of ECUFlash is that the accessibility of the new tables and information is almost instantaneous. I would say that in the last year, the art of tuning an Evo has been completely rewritten by the ECUFlash+EvoScan community.

That said, the ease-of-use of the AP is great for those who aren't so adventurous with tuning and just want a plug-n-play product.

 

HEY guys nevermind on this request....I'll Use that thing called the INTERNET to find out my answers.....

I WANT TO FREE UP CHRISTIAN AND WHOEVER ELSE AT COBB TO FINISH UP MY PRO-TUNE SOFTWARE

 

The "aren't so adventerous" tag line will soon be an incorrect statement. True, today, all there is is the base stage maps.....when the pro-tune/street-tuner software is released there will be nothing that ECUflash will be able to do that AP can't.

& I definitely don't want this to turn into another 3 pages of posts of argument....just stating that soon the AP will be OPENED up to do ALLOT.

Not to take anything away from any other tuning method....

OKAY BACK TO AP FACTS & DISCOVERIES

 

Since you seem to know more than Rob@cobb is there going to be support to delete the maf in any way? SD & blow through are available via openecu. I sure hope the pro-tuner software brings that along with it.

 

I am always a bit puzzled why one would want to delete a superior fuel metering system...but maybe that is just me. I don't believe that to be the case (concerning Rob@cobb)...regardless, I believe I answered your question in a previous post on this thread. Our software will have the same table access, if not more. Although, we may consolidate the table access just to keep things on the simple side and we will want to give access to tables that are actually functional for a proper tune. This is simply a matter of a professional tuning facility requesting a certain feature, us completing R&D to see if this is something we can implement within our software constraints, then implementing the feature (along with an instructional document) through an automatic software update as we have done with the Subaru software.

We really want to do what we can to better the EVO community and product offerings. We have to do what we can to introduce ourselves to this community before we started to offer products for other and future Mitsubishi platforms. Hopefully we are able to earn some respect from the community through our current products, technical documentation, and other efforts. We hope that our IP is respected, although if we start to see abilities or technologies unique in our EVO tuning software suddenly become "open" then this will definitely not motivate us. I am excited to see how things progress. I hope this helps.

Take care,
Christian.

 

You wonder why? . . because the stock maf is only good to a certain power point and controlling fueling beyond that can be a problem.

Rob did answer my question, I was wondering if something had changed as it seemed that it had.

 

Just to clarify....I am a Complete IDIOT when it comes to this stuff....I only know a teeny tiny small portion about AP because I made my business to try and understand what I could.

I am no authority....STEPHEN at IA and the COBB guys....they are the ones "IN THE KNOW"

 

Understood, I meant the MAF system...not the stock MAF. A MAF based system is by far the most accurate and easiest to tune IMO. If you need to upgrade to another MAF which is capable of metering a greater mass of air, then that is understood and necessary.

Christian.

 

To all- we will have updated coverage of the upload process for the EVO. We're going to try some new cinematography ideas Thursday

Brian_H- I definitely do not know more than Rob or Christian at COBB I'm a Dealer / ProTuner of their products. But, we are willing to test and deliver a bit more information to the public than most companies would. In the end, I turn to COBB's staff for information regarding their product.

In regards to a MAF, the following is from personal experience and is of my own opinion. The factory MAF has some limitations, but offers wonderful benefits to the vehicle. We've pushed stock MAF EVO's to 475 whp on our Mustang Dyno, roughly 525 on a Dyno Jet. At this level I start to question the strength of the internals. In the end, the stock MAF will accomodate roughly 90+% of the EVO moding community. For those that desire more, there are stand alone systems. It is my opinion that a car with 500+ whp has become more of a race application than a street driven errand runner. Race applications generally accept the fact of running 4" turbo inlets, BOVs, 1000+CC injectors, AEM EMSs', etc. This is what I've seen over the past 4 years of the EVO. This holds true for Subaru as well. They end up going to standalones at the 500-550 whp level. I'm not saying if you have 500+ whp that your car is unsafe and for racing only. I'm just trying to convey the reality that the stock EVO MAF can deliver results for 90+% of the EVO community. For blow through MAFs, speak to several tuners to see their feedbackson them. I've seen mixed results. More results are negative than positive.

In the end, if a person is die hard Open Source then they will not change to a new option, especially if you have to spend $$$ to so. Of course there is always someone that will. Maybe StreetTUNER will open some eyes, maybe not. Time will tell.

I foresee COBB's AP evolving very quickly. It is due to their dedication to their product as well as consumer feedback (such as this forum).

Now, my post is not intended to draw bad feelings towards you. Rather it is to contribute to the MAF discussion. But your continued inquires, although contributing, keep pitting the AccessPORT vs Open Source in a negative fashion. The AP is a newly released product, give them a break Time will sort out everything. in the end Open Source and AP will coexist for the EVO community. And yes, I've read where you support cobb and even sent your ECU to them For that, we all appreciate your help as it has helped the AP evolution.

Stephen
www.iaperformance.com

 

Stephen---

Well put....I think the Presidency of the US is up for grabs next year....with speeches like that to make everyone feel good you might as well run

any luck for later today working on a PSI test that won't blow thru the wall???


Can't wait for performance shop fix !

 

How did things go? What are impressions so far?

 

I don't know if this matters....but after a good 5 days of driving around on stage 2 I thought I'd do another few dyno pulls just to see how things were after a week of running stage 2.

And FYI, I'm running Nisei Intercooler piping and Okada Projects Plasma Direct Coils as well.

(of note, the nite we did this install, after the coils were replaced with the Okada set we saw some minor advantages in HP/TQ.....I'm confident once protune software is out that these two minor upgrades should help to yield even more power...and with the coils now the idle and pull is smoother...plus maybe even some better gas mileage...but more on that later)


So anywho the numbers today turned out at 288TQ (peak) and 285HP(peak)...so TQ was up from the other day by like 13lb-ft.....and today in the shop it was definitely more hot....the dyno sheets posted was a run on a cooler nite.

I'm an idiot and don't know how to post the sheet...so you'll have to take me at my word.

Once again, VERY VERY impressive in my opinion for just a BASE Stage 2 map

 

CPA5, are you running an O2 housing??? There is definately more power to be gained with a few more bolt ons.