Evo X vs. Evo VIII and IX
Not directed to anyone. Just i want to share my opinion in one post, if i am allowed.
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if you need a comparision one basic thing you need for that is something to compere... LOL Where are the X's? Or they are not that fast , really? How about Gates car right here from the forum? LOL
In these type of internet things are cute, but then with a same idea , i can say the Best evo ever made is the Evo 2 right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-jdEj5eMcM
I think the debate is based on stock or close to stockish cars, since that is the most important for the majority of the Evo owners.
For me the best comparision is the rally, one simple reason why. They have to be the closest to stock in that type of racing, with very serious inspecting each race, by a very serious and qualifyed inspection by FIA officials. Not someone form the local club. (never mind a fact the evos are build by Grupe N specs from the factory, so i have a good reason why i do compere evos there. ) The class i am reffering is a Grupe N. Wich basically allows besides the mandetory safety build and equipments, suspension (coilovers) - brakes and ECU change , not even boost controller. So in that type of racing the X is just as fast a IX. So in close stock form, they are not really better form each other in racing. Keep in mind Only the USA the CT9A chassis came without AYC etc.
In fact the Evo II - IV is a great car for racing, so as the V or VI or VIII or IX so as the X. It is only matters in how much money and development you put it in, period. Sum it up : the X is just a good of a platform to build a race car on it, as any other evo before,period.
So in reality the whole debates boils down to the daily driving ,where the most peoplare using the cars. You like it or not. That is clear, as you go closer the newer generation they getting better, there is no arguement there. As i see from the comments.
But the best most amuzing part of these type of debates, when people brings up the racing , and they doesnt even go out personally to see a racing Evo or race they Evo, never mind to even have one racing Evo. And top of that, they are so up tight about they car, to be better then others . This is also true for evo X guys. Never mind to down talking others
So just let make a nice conclusion. In racing is really depends on your budget and time you willing to put in the platform you like. That is a the deciding point between Evos. Other then that , the Evo does what needs to do to survive. And that is: pass safety standars to be road legal, give at least an avarge comfort for the given area and class what other cars offers on the market, but a same time have a possibilty to build a great track or race - fun car with big possibilities as just any earlier versions had/have.
The X clearly did that, it is prooven many times in the past 5 years. Thast is a FACT. But a same time, evolved to the next level for those who doesnt need an all out race car. In short kept,the tradition, did brought and still brings many trophies - fame to our beloved Evolution family.
That is my honest opinion on this. Which is based on my creditencials and my own experience. Owning many different type of evos and Turbo AWD car.
In the USA since i landed, from 2004 for a had VIII- IX -X. I had them in car shows , race tracks and some daily driving. I am very contreversial , but active forum member, so i see and hear a lot. Of course i can be wrong on things, and of course i could be even biased, if you will. But maybe i have a good reason why.
Rob.
nice
if you need a comparision one basic thing you need for that is something to compere... LOL Where are the X's? Or they are not that fast , really? How about Gates car right here from the forum? LOLIn these type of internet things are cute, but then with a same idea , i can say the Best evo ever made is the Evo 2 right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-jdEj5eMcM
I think the debate is based on stock or close to stockish cars, since that is the most important for the majority of the Evo owners.
For me the best comparision is the rally, one simple reason why. They have to be the closest to stock in that type of racing, with very serious inspecting each race, by a very serious and qualifyed inspection by FIA officials. Not someone form the local club. (never mind a fact the evos are build by Grupe N specs from the factory, so i have a good reason why i do compere evos there. ) The class i am reffering is a Grupe N. Wich basically allows besides the mandetory safety build and equipments, suspension (coilovers) - brakes and ECU change , not even boost controller. So in that type of racing the X is just as fast a IX. So in close stock form, they are not really better form each other in racing. Keep in mind Only the USA the CT9A chassis came without AYC etc.
In fact the Evo II - IV is a great car for racing, so as the V or VI or VIII or IX so as the X. It is only matters in how much money and development you put it in, period. Sum it up : the X is just a good of a platform to build a race car on it, as any other evo before,period.
So in reality the whole debates boils down to the daily driving ,where the most peoplare using the cars. You like it or not. That is clear, as you go closer the newer generation they getting better, there is no arguement there. As i see from the comments.
But the best most amuzing part of these type of debates, when people brings up the racing , and they doesnt even go out personally to see a racing Evo or race they Evo, never mind to even have one racing Evo. And top of that, they are so up tight about they car, to be better then others . This is also true for evo X guys. Never mind to down talking others
So just let make a nice conclusion. In racing is really depends on your budget and time you willing to put in the platform you like. That is a the deciding point between Evos. Other then that , the Evo does what needs to do to survive. And that is: pass safety standars to be road legal, give at least an avarge comfort for the given area and class what other cars offers on the market, but a same time have a possibilty to build a great track or race - fun car with big possibilities as just any earlier versions had/have.
The X clearly did that, it is prooven many times in the past 5 years. Thast is a FACT. But a same time, evolved to the next level for those who doesnt need an all out race car. In short kept,the tradition, did brought and still brings many trophies - fame to our beloved Evolution family.
That is my honest opinion on this. Which is based on my creditencials and my own experience. Owning many different type of evos and Turbo AWD car.
In the USA since i landed, from 2004 for a had VIII- IX -X. I had them in car shows , race tracks and some daily driving. I am very contreversial , but active forum member, so i see and hear a lot. Of course i can be wrong on things, and of course i could be even biased, if you will. But maybe i have a good reason why.
Rob.
I think your 'close to stock' argument goes for any type of racing that has various classes/restrictions. As you know, I know next to nothing about rally lol, but it's clear that it has proved itself.
For auto-x, all you have to do is check the nationals results this year.
STU and ASP classes contain the most "reasonably" modified Evos - STU is very restricted in terms of power production, and, a big one for 8/9s, the rear differential, but 3 of the top 5 fastest were actually 8/9s.
ASP is a more typical class for Evos (formerly BSP, where the Evos were bumped out of for being so dominant), lets you do more with the power and crucially the rear diff to something like a TRE or Shep 1.5 way, and the top 3 cars were evos - an 8 and 2 9's. The next car was 1.5 seconds off pace from the 3rd place Evo.
It is a good question though - where are the Evo X's when it comes to SCCA nationals? I saw 2 in SM this year, a class where 2 Evo IX's placed 3rd and 6th (and in various other positions in the class), and that's pretty much it. It's not for lack of drivers, there are more than a fair amount of Evo X's running in ASP that I've seen.. I'm sure there may be a day where the X takes nationals in ASP in front of an 8/9 but as of right now the car just is not as competitive in autocross - it has not yet proven itself in this arena.
As a driver's car, obviously now that's a lot more dependent on what event the car is being driven, etc and much more subjective. As I've said already, a friend of mine who is a very good driver has driven both at autocross - zero bias in terms of 9/10 preference and has said that the 9 is the "drivers" car for reasons already mentioned. Another one he pointed is that there just seems to be less mystery with what the 9 is doing and is going to do, which is much more significant than it sounds.
I'll be the first to admit the X is a much better car all around. For my personal driving enjoyment, autocross, and going sideways, I will still stick with the 9. The current conversation arose from another user's post attempting to claim his own maturity and his ridiculously uninformed posts thereafter. Yes there are some 8/9 idiots who hate on the X for no reason - but my point is, there is a legitimate reason/arena why these cars are preferred by some
Last edited by kyoo; Oct 28, 2012 at 02:05 PM.
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From: kc mo
ct9a dominates world time attack...showing ultimate potential of car...scca wins again...drag stip wins again... rally is debatable....go look up records in each (nuff said)....comfort 10 win...does anybody buy a evo for comfort/go buy a cadilac lol ...they buy it for bang for buck...
ct9a dominates world time attack...showing ultimate potential of car...scca wins again...drag stip wins again... rally is debatable....go look up records in each (nuff said)....comfort 10 win...does anybody buy a evo for comfort/go buy a cadilac lol ...they buy it for bang for buck...
Last edited by kyoo; Oct 28, 2012 at 03:47 PM.
Kyoo your statements make sense. I like your analysis on the WTA coverage.
Although I don't like to research or follow up on these type of events for my own personal reasons I did look up the results for Yokohamas World Time Attack open class records since it's the only place where I can see an Evo X competing.
http://www.worldtimeattack.com/index.../2012-results/
From the 2012 results, wherever the Evo x was shown to compete, it was comparable to the Evo 9/8. So Robs point expressing that the 10 and 9 are basically the same in performance is very true to me. You have a car that's 300 pounds heavier being able to perform as good if not better than it's predecessors. In the end it really depends on how much money is invested in the car and driver which brings me to my next point.
Like I've said before and still say now. I REALLY prefer the look, comfort and performance of the Evo X to any of its predecessors.
Why does this WTA crap matter when comparing cars? How can you compare a heavily modified car to another on a track driven by professional drivers that have skills that can't be measured.
Let us have debate on stock for stock because it is only fair for the cars and their owners. It's much more fair to compare cars that are driven by the same driver on the same track on the same day with the original settings set from the factory. It only makes sense. Any other way is like buying a Camry and saying it's faster than the Monte Carlo around an oval track because NASCAR said so.
By the way, I'm happy the Evo 9 is repping the Mitsubishi brand and killing other manufacturers. Trust me it make me happy to see that. The auto racing world is much larger than the differences between the 9/10.
Although I don't like to research or follow up on these type of events for my own personal reasons I did look up the results for Yokohamas World Time Attack open class records since it's the only place where I can see an Evo X competing.
http://www.worldtimeattack.com/index.../2012-results/
From the 2012 results, wherever the Evo x was shown to compete, it was comparable to the Evo 9/8. So Robs point expressing that the 10 and 9 are basically the same in performance is very true to me. You have a car that's 300 pounds heavier being able to perform as good if not better than it's predecessors. In the end it really depends on how much money is invested in the car and driver which brings me to my next point.
Like I've said before and still say now. I REALLY prefer the look, comfort and performance of the Evo X to any of its predecessors.
Why does this WTA crap matter when comparing cars? How can you compare a heavily modified car to another on a track driven by professional drivers that have skills that can't be measured.
Let us have debate on stock for stock because it is only fair for the cars and their owners. It's much more fair to compare cars that are driven by the same driver on the same track on the same day with the original settings set from the factory. It only makes sense. Any other way is like buying a Camry and saying it's faster than the Monte Carlo around an oval track because NASCAR said so.
By the way, I'm happy the Evo 9 is repping the Mitsubishi brand and killing other manufacturers. Trust me it make me happy to see that. The auto racing world is much larger than the differences between the 9/10.
Last edited by tellme718; Oct 28, 2012 at 04:35 PM.
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ct9a is absolutely stomping all other cars in ultimate performance potential...yes alot of money goes into all those cars...there are 5 evo 9s in the top 10...evo 10 top time 1'34 evo 9 top time 1'25... thats an eternity on a race track...nobody is building a 10 in pro because of weight...300 lbs is alot....cornering, braking and acceleraton combined...i liked my 10...but my love my 9...dont get me started on drag records...10 years from now as cars get heavier the nine might go down as the fastest production based track car...name another car that can have 800+ whp 2200 lbs and awd...
ct9a is absolutely stomping all other cars in ultimate performance potential...yes alot of money goes into all those cars...there are 5 evo 9s in the top 10...evo 10 top time 1'34 evo 9 top time 1'25... thats an eternity on a race track...nobody is building a 10 in pro because of weight...300 lbs is alot....cornering, braking and acceleraton combined...i liked my 10...but my love my 9...dont get me started on drag records...10 years from now as cars get heavier the nine might go down as the fastest production based track car...name another car that can have 800+ whp 2200 lbs and awd...
to be honest though, that argument has never had much bearing on me. it may be a point of "pride" for the X guys, but when it comes to the ultimate performance i don't see where that really comes through
there is a good point though, which is that the rear suspension geometry is a weak point for the ct9a. it can and has been fixed though, and obviously the car's performance isn't suffering with them.
^ someone's been watching suspension videos lol
to be honest though, that argument has never had much bearing on me. it may be a point of "pride" for the X guys, but when it comes to the ultimate performance i don't see where that really comes through
there is a good point though, which is that the rear suspension geometry is a weak point for the ct9a. it can and has been fixed though, and obviously the car's performance isn't suffering with them.
to be honest though, that argument has never had much bearing on me. it may be a point of "pride" for the X guys, but when it comes to the ultimate performance i don't see where that really comes through
there is a good point though, which is that the rear suspension geometry is a weak point for the ct9a. it can and has been fixed though, and obviously the car's performance isn't suffering with them.
Not really suspension videos. If you ever see both cars on a lift, which I'm assuming you have, you can tell the relocation of many parts starting with the sway bar. I remember when the 7 came out "they" were saying that the car isn't a true Evo AWD car like the 6> had been. I'm glad the Evo 9 proved its point and made itself the Evo to be dealt with. It took several years but it did do it. Eventually the X will too.
Last edited by tellme718; Oct 30, 2012 at 09:20 PM.
^Typical of CT9A owner to get immediately alerted by comments as such.
Not really suspension videos. If you ever see both cars on a lift, which I'm assuming you have, you can tell the relocation of many parts starting with the sway bar. I remember when the 7 came out "they" were saying that the car isn't a true Evo AWD car like the 6> had been. I'm glad the Evo 9 proved its point and made itself the Evo to be dealt with. It took several years but it did do it. Eventually the X will too.
Not really suspension videos. If you ever see both cars on a lift, which I'm assuming you have, you can tell the relocation of many parts starting with the sway bar. I remember when the 7 came out "they" were saying that the car isn't a true Evo AWD car like the 6> had been. I'm glad the Evo 9 proved its point and made itself the Evo to be dealt with. It took several years but it did do it. Eventually the X will too.
And please.. you know its from the MRT/whiteline suspension videos on youtube lmao don't act like an expert. And no, it did not take "several years" for the CT9A chassis to prove its point. And the X has already "proven" its point.
Furthermore, it isn't that it's not a "true Evo AWD" car - it is a 100% full time awd... please don't just spread propaganda for the sake of promoting/defending the X.. if you're gonna have a debate about it, have it be meaningful
I've already mentioned how the keeping the X's awd in mind for the Lancer has proven beneficial for the car.. for the rear geometry, as well mentioned that it has been fixed/improved in the CT9A... next point?
Last edited by kyoo; Oct 30, 2012 at 09:33 PM.
btw the nemo racing evo that doc mentions... i do not consider that car an evo... almost at all
http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_artic...vo-part-1.aspx
http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_artic...vo-part-2.aspx
http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_artic...vo-part-1.aspx
http://www.motoiq.com/magazine_artic...vo-part-2.aspx
What alert? I'm just letting you know, as you are obviously new to the platform. This is a point that has already been made and addressed in this 22x page thread.
And please.. you know its from the MRT/whiteline suspension videos on youtube lmao don't act like an expert. And no, it did not take "several years" for the CT9A chassis to prove its point. And the X has already "proven" its point.
Furthermore, it isn't that it's not a "true Evo AWD" car - it is a 100% full time awd... please don't just spread propaganda for the sake of promoting/defending the X.. if you're gonna have a debate about it, have it be meaningful
I've already mentioned how the keeping the X's awd in mind for the Lancer has proven beneficial for the car.. for the rear geometry, as well mentioned that it has been fixed/improved in the CT9A... next point?
And please.. you know its from the MRT/whiteline suspension videos on youtube lmao don't act like an expert. And no, it did not take "several years" for the CT9A chassis to prove its point. And the X has already "proven" its point.
Furthermore, it isn't that it's not a "true Evo AWD" car - it is a 100% full time awd... please don't just spread propaganda for the sake of promoting/defending the X.. if you're gonna have a debate about it, have it be meaningful
I've already mentioned how the keeping the X's awd in mind for the Lancer has proven beneficial for the car.. for the rear geometry, as well mentioned that it has been fixed/improved in the CT9A... next point?
Bro stop attacking me. I know this is the internet and you will always attack as you please to prove your point. I'm a NEW EVO OWNER, not new to the Evo world. I'm good friends/X employee of one the fastest Tristate Evo owners in NJ. I was there for a lot of his upgrades, driven his 500+HP car and even get to secure true JDM parts from him. For my civics and now my Evo X. Not to mention my best friend has an 12' Evo X and before that he had a fairly simple Evo 9 MR.
The fact of the matter is that the Evo 9> is a FWD bias car. It's a FWD Lancer converted to AWD just like the Ralliart. I know it's a ego buster but it's true.
I hope all Evo owners aren't like you. Yikes! Imagine saying one questionable remark or God forbid stating the wrong paint code ^ this guy will rip your pubic hair off. Lol. I actually never heard of MRT performance until now. Actually from their reviews they are a reputable AUS garage. You've must've watched that video on youtube back in 09' when it came out. I don't have the time nor desire to read 22 pages of people flaming other on why the make love to their car. I simply threw a comment to the another mans post, jokingly. You came like a shark in starvation ready to attack.
Bro stop attacking me. I know this is the internet and you will always attack as you please to prove your point. I'm a NEW EVO OWNER, not new to the Evo world. I'm good friends/X employee of one the fastest Tristate Evo owners in NJ. I was there for a lot of his upgrades, driven his 500+HP car and even get to secure true JDM parts from him. For my civics and now my Evo X. Not to mention my best friend has an 12' Evo X and before that he had a fairly simple Evo 9 MR.
The fact of the matter is that the Evo 9> is a FWD bias car. It's a FWD Lancer converted to AWD just like the Ralliart. I know it's a ego buster but it's true.
Bro stop attacking me. I know this is the internet and you will always attack as you please to prove your point. I'm a NEW EVO OWNER, not new to the Evo world. I'm good friends/X employee of one the fastest Tristate Evo owners in NJ. I was there for a lot of his upgrades, driven his 500+HP car and even get to secure true JDM parts from him. For my civics and now my Evo X. Not to mention my best friend has an 12' Evo X and before that he had a fairly simple Evo 9 MR.
The fact of the matter is that the Evo 9> is a FWD bias car. It's a FWD Lancer converted to AWD just like the Ralliart. I know it's a ego buster but it's true.
btw,
evo 9 is not a fwd bias awd car. it's not an ego buster, you're just completely wrong. it's 50:50 distribution, as the X is.. if you are saying that the CT9A is based on a FWD platform, yes that is true. The entire drivetrain is independent to the Evo though, they didn't just slap a transfer case and rear differential on... Check what the X shares its platform with... These aren't "ego busters" nor are they points of pride, like I have mentioned.
Look at end results in terms of performance for how much that matters in the end..