The way people talk on this forum, I imagine they do two-step launches backing out of their driveway.

 

Now you got me wondering if it would work.

 

If it does, with the weight bias over the front and LSD...

The reverse gear ratio is about the same as first gear so you should be able to launch HARD and really be moving by the end of your driveway.

("No kidding...kaj launched so hard his airbag went off!")

 

that is where the fun starts.

 

I'm good. There's a reason I live in CA.

 

I spend couple of months in SF area and a shorter time in LA.
I found many many roads really amazing and fun
There are true real driving roads out there with elevations and changing weather etc.

I am sure you can surprise people over there with $200K + cars in your evo

I rented a Mustang GT to drive around, and it was horrible. I still cant wrap my mind around muscle cars, although the new mustang "handles great" lol,

Has nothing on the Evo in real life roads. ( except straight)

 

Irony: One who owns/races an AWD car, arguing that another AWD car
is even better, while simultaneously maintaining AWD driving or racing
is of no benefit.......

 

Add irony to the list of words you don't know the meaning of.

AWD is great. On a daily driver, it's almost a must have in some climates, or at least a big plus.

We're not talking about daily driving. That topic has seemingly been ignored. If daily driving is the focus, the RS has several advantages over the Evo.

You want to compare a modified 2015 Evo to a brand new, virgin 2016 RS. You're not even comparing year to year. You seem to have focused on track-oriented characteristics.

Now you're holding out rally racing to counter the argument against your comparison that you could buy several RWD cars that would destroy the Evo at the track.

So basically you want to change the underlying assumptions as you see fit to benefit the Evo. You'll gladly compare new to modified, RWD street car to built rally car, if it puts the Evo at the top in your mind.

 

+1
Thank you for typing all that for us, so we don't have to LOL. But he's still gonna say you're wrong and he's right, so what's the point, really?

 

There both well developed cars with great potential. Regardless if he disagrees or not we all like to get are opinions across.

 

Well, that is true. And why we are all here.

 

First, I'm not the one comparing anything but the EVO with bolt ons vs the stock RS (others brought up the used beater with a crapload of mods). I would only compare them as both being brand new cars, mostly the same capability/drivetrain, being very reasonable to be cross shopped, and relatively close in price.

I've already conceded warantee (for modded EVO), health (and interest in perf cars) of the parent company, and ultimate handling (even with some handling mods, I think RS will win at the very limit due to unique drivetrain).

That said, I think I put up a good case that right now, EVO is 5-6 grand cheaper for actual purchase price. Some may disagree, but many will agree with my logic of what you can get for X dollars. Some may barely be able to afford EVO right now and do bolt ons next year or year after. This affords them a pretty fun car and to make sure there is not some major problem with the car up front, before mods.

I believe there was one reply in this thread that they did take a bolt on EVO over stock RS, so I don't want to hear it's silly and no one would do it. I think mainly this is due to the bolt on EVO being much faster in a straight line and even with it's faults, it is a known commodity. I really believe Ford has not sorted out that drivetrain well enough and it will, like my 3 recent new fords, have niggling problems through out it's life.

 

I agree, my AWD fusion easily out handles the base stang GT (mine is a 14, so still solid axle, which makes it worse). IMO, there is no amount of mods you can do to my mustang to make it handle as good as my EVO.

The draw for me was several things.

1. I loved the retro styling, and with some big fat tires out back (and some knockoff Bullitts), love the looks of it.
http://luxjo.supermotors.net/MUSTANG...5/IMG_1208.JPG
2. With only a set of 295 tires out back (not drag radials), it runs 12.7/12.8's @112 all day. No miss shifts, any retard could get in and do it, and it does not spin the tires at all really, would run very close on street, if desired.
3. Due to auto, can take to party, have a couple and woman can still drive it home.
4. Again, due to auto, can drive when back acting up (much smoother, quieter, and more comfortable driving around spiritid on street, than EVO)
5. Engine good for 600 WHP pretty reliably. Auto trans and rear good for 1000WHP. For about 7 grand, ON3 twin turbo (or your choice of CARB approved blower) and a set of drag radials, I'm very reliably running mid 10's (130 plus) or even high 9's (with converter probably). I've never had a 9 or 10 second car and thought it might be fun for a while. Total cost would still be under 36-37K

 

You're comparing a 2015 Evo to a 2016 RS. What does it say about the Evo that it's the end of 2016, and some dealerships are still trying to clear off 2015 stock?

 

Thats part of my point. I judge a car I might be interested in, by what it is today (available to the masses), all encompassing. You just want to compare stock cars to stock cars, based on the manufacturers suggested retail.

You way is fine, if you just want to compare cars heads up, not considering true current retail. I never look at two cars that way, it's always what kind of fun can I have for the money, today (and yes all the other factors weigh in, of which the RS wins many). The only car that this does not totally apply to is my DD, but even that I got a smoking deal on a left over 15, because it was the end of the year and the fusion sport was coming out in 6 months (making my once was top dog in the fusion world, 2.0 turbo AWD, not very desirable anymore).

But I bet I could find an new EVO for under 30 if I really wanted one. And that is how I am able to campaign 9 Fords (most of them old, not costing much on collector insurance), a Mitsu, and a Dodge (11 year old diesel tow rig). I don't overpay for the latest and greatest (except my EVO, which is the only car I paid sticker for ever, and even that was a mistake, could have had an EVO 9 if I waited).

There is no negotiating for the RS right now, because Ford was stupid and limited production heavily. The dealers are making more and happy, but Ford is selling less cars. I would not touch a new RS until they were going for low 30's, for a base model, and they work the bugs out, if any.

At this point, I don't think either of us is wrong, but I do think my way is much closer to how people purchase cars.