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Old Dec 1, 2016 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by kyoo
not sure if this was mentioned yet, looks like AMS pretty much dumped working on the Focus RS. surprise, surprise.
Purely speculating, but I feel like the market is so small, there won't be a worthwhile return on any investment they make. Especially considering they already have market share in the super car and gtr segments, which is way more profitable.
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Old Dec 1, 2016 | 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by kyoo
not sure if this was mentioned yet, looks like AMS pretty much dumped working on the Focus RS. surprise, surprise.
Until somebody cracks the code for the RDU and figures out if it can take more power AND mete it out in a way that keeps the RS character, they have an issue. And, as mentioned elsewhere the current market is currently very small.

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Old Dec 1, 2016 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by kyoo
not sure if this was mentioned yet, looks like AMS pretty much dumped working on the Focus RS. surprise, surprise.
Got any more info on this? I wanna wanna know.
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Old Dec 1, 2016 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by barneyb
Got any more info on this? I wanna wanna know.
I think it's safe to say that ams won't be doing much more with the rs besides there accessport tune. They would have announced something by now or at least had the basic bolts on developed not just an air filter.

But then again it wasn't to long ago that they redesigned the exhaust with titanium for the x.

I personally think they are making the right decision to avoid R&D on parts for the rs

And one more HUGE downfall for the rs is the auto stop/start. Just another thing that could cause issues with the car.
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Old Dec 1, 2016 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by The_X_Effect
I think it's safe to say that ams won't be doing much more with the rs besides there accessport tune. They would have announced something by now or at least had the basic bolts on developed not just an air filter.

But then again it wasn't to long ago that they redesigned the exhaust with titanium for the x.

I personally think they are making the right decision to avoid R&D on parts for the rs

And one more HUGE downfall for the rs is the auto stop/start. Just another thing that could cause issues with the car.
Why is the start/stop a big deal?
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Old Dec 1, 2016 | 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by moparfan
Why is the start/stop a big deal?
Have u experienced it? I have and its annoying even the owner of the rs didn't like it. There is maybe a difference of 1mpg +/- from what I have read about it. I feel that it could in the long run cause more problems then good. Just my 2 cents.
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Old Dec 1, 2016 | 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by The_X_Effect
Have u experienced it? I have and its annoying even the owner of the rs didn't like it. There is maybe a difference of 1mpg +/- from what I have read about it. I feel that it could in the long run cause more problems then good. Just my 2 cents.
I agree its stupid and annoying, but whats that have to do with developing parts for it?
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Old Dec 1, 2016 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by warmmilk
I agree its stupid and annoying, but whats that have to do with developing parts for it?
He probably means it's just another gimmick to potentially fail. Also, Who knows what effect it could have on a tune and/or performance parts?

That's what I get out of it, anyway.
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Old Dec 2, 2016 | 01:31 AM
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I would assume anyone making aftermarket parts looks at long term desirability of each car before making an investment. As example, most cases today, you have extra capacity in the alt/batt for a decent upgrade in stereo systems (if desired), probably not so much on a car that has to start 100 times a day. Can it be shut off?
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Old Dec 2, 2016 | 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by The_X_Effect
I think it's safe to say that ams won't be doing much more with the rs besides there accessport tune. They would have announced something by now or at least had the basic bolts on developed not just an air filter.

But then again it wasn't to long ago that they redesigned the exhaust with titanium for the x.

I personally think they are making the right decision to avoid R&D on parts for the rs

And one more HUGE downfall for the rs is the auto stop/start. Just another thing that could cause issues with the car.
The stop-start is nothing bad. You can disable it in the HUD, but you do have to do it every time. If that's too much of an inconvenience, it can be to permanently shut off in an aftermarket tune.

The RS makes crazy power with an E30 tune otherwise stock. Adam, formerly of MAPerformance who owns Tune+, is leading the charge in this. He did great work with the ecoboost Mustangs, and is continuing it with the RS.

The stock exhaust bits are pretty good, so the car isn't making much power with aftermarket bolt ons aside from tuning.

AMS likely left as have other tuners, because there are so few of these cars actually hitting the states, and it's only a two year run. The aftermarket shops snatched them up very early for R&D, but aren't getting hardly any return on investment. That's the real reason they're bailing- too few imported.

If I had one, a tune and some suspension work to dial more negative camber in there would be great. Maybe some wider rubber, too.

The RS is going to go the way of other super limited German cars such as the 1 series M. Buyer demand, good performance, nonexistent availability. That's unfortunate, because it's really kickass car that deserves deeper distribution.
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Old Dec 2, 2016 | 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Noize
The stop-start is nothing bad. You can disable it in the HUD, but you do have to do it every time. If that's too much of an inconvenience, it can be to permanently shut off in an aftermarket tune.
So I have to eliminate (not guaranteed, but very possible) my drivetrain warantee just to permanently shut off some annoying feature? I get it, you could say that about every new car with traction control, but that feature at least, rarely gets invoked on daily driving.

Another win for the EVO8, not even the retarded tire pressure monitor, which the only true benefit is for the company that makes the sensors, since it is pretty easy to destroy them, getting tires on/off.
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Old Dec 2, 2016 | 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by kaj
He probably means it's just another gimmick to potentially fail. Also, Who knows what effect it could have on a tune and/or performance parts?

That's what I get out of it, anyway.
Exactly! it was just something I had disliked about the car from my initial experience with it. Ik my evo has a difficult time starting once and awhile with the large injectors and e85. Especially when the Temps drop.

Originally Posted by Noize
The stop-start is nothing bad. You can disable it in the HUD, but you do have to do it every time. If that's too much of an inconvenience, it can be to permanently shut off in an aftermarket tune.

The RS makes crazy power with an E30 tune otherwise stock. Adam, formerly of MAPerformance who owns Tune+, is leading the charge in this. He did great work with the ecoboost Mustangs, and is continuing it with the RS.

The stock exhaust bits are pretty good, so the car isn't making much power with aftermarket bolt ons aside from tuning.

AMS likely left as have other tuners, because there are so few of these cars actually hitting the states, and it's only a two year run. The aftermarket shops snatched them up very early for R&D, but aren't getting hardly any return on investment. That's the real reason they're bailing- too few imported.

If I had one, a tune and some suspension work to dial more negative camber in there would be great. Maybe some wider rubber, too.

The RS is going to go the way of other super limited German cars such as the 1 series M. Buyer demand, good performance, nonexistent availability. That's unfortunate, because it's really kickass car that deserves deeper distribution.
That's good to know it can get shut off with a tune. I had figured you could do that but didn't research to far into that.

I agree on the fact that there isn't many of these cars the were initially produced which would defiantly make it hard to see a return on aftermarket parts. I second your plan on what you would do with the car if you owned own. It makes a ton of power out of the gate and with those small changes it would be plenty quick for the streets/track

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So I have to eliminate (not guaranteed, but very possible) my drivetrain warantee just to permanently shut off some annoying feature? I get it, you could say that about every new car with traction control, but that feature at least, rarely gets invoked on daily driving.

Another win for the EVO8, not even the retarded tire pressure monitor, which the only true benefit is for the company that makes the sensors, since it is pretty easy to destroy them, getting tires on/off.
Not sure how that would effect warrenty. You would have to think it would void it. But then again Noize did say you could disable it in the HUD just not permanently. I wouldn't wanna have to deal with it everyday.
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Old Dec 2, 2016 | 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by The_X_Effect
Not sure how that would effect warrenty. You would have to think it would void it. But then again Noize did say you could disable it in the HUD just not permanently. I wouldn't wanna have to deal with it everyday.
It did for this guy

http://www.focusrs.org/forum/9-focus...nied-tune.html

I don't think they discriminate, even it you just tuned out the auto/start stop. All they care is it was tuned at some point, by someone other than them.

Thats not to say many dealers don't look the other way (for friends or good customers), but how much leeway do they have these days if the actual motor blows, I'm not sure.
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Old Dec 2, 2016 | 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by OX
So I have to eliminate (not guaranteed, but very possible) my drivetrain warantee just to permanently shut off some annoying feature? I get it, you could say that about every new car with traction control, but that feature at least, rarely gets invoked on daily driving.

Another win for the EVO8, not even the retarded tire pressure monitor, which the only true benefit is for the company that makes the sensors, since it is pretty easy to destroy them, getting tires on/off.
If you can't be bothered to do a six second routine at the start of a fun drive, I got nothing for ya. It's completely painless in normal driving: Saves fuel, starts right back up without a hitch.

I'm not advocating doing a tune for the purpose of the start-stop, it just would be an extra benefit along with the tune.

Nearly 10 years with multiple TPMS cars, never had someone break one of my sensors. But they have helped me on many occasions.

Different strokes I guess. Ever consider that Evo VIII has too much technology for you? You might be well served by a horse and buggy. Make sure you tell those damn kids to keep off your lawn.
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Old Dec 2, 2016 | 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Noize
If you can't be bothered to do a six second routine at the start of a fun drive, I got nothing for ya. It's completely painless in normal driving: Saves fuel, starts right back up without a hitch.

I'm not advocating doing a tune for the purpose of the start-stop, it just would be an extra benefit along with the tune.

Nearly 10 years with multiple TPMS cars, never had someone break one of my sensors. But they have helped me on many occasions.

Different strokes I guess. Ever consider that Evo VIII has too much technology for you? You might be well served by a horse and buggy. Make sure you tell those damn kids to keep off your lawn.
Just because you like to have useless, annoying equipment on your car that has to be overidden EVERY time you drive, doesn't mean we all do.

And your right, 69,000 google hits on "broken TPMS sensor", but I'm sure it never really happens...........
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