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Old Nov 26, 2016 | 12:25 PM
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Why is it a silly comparison? If you're doing stock vs modded, why is modded Evo vs GTR any more ridiculous than modded evo vs stock FoRS?
Your comparing a modded evo at most $45k total to a $112k gtr. How isn't that silly. I mean it's intresting to see how they matched up. There in completely different catagories tho. I would expect for a gtr to out perform a modded evo everyday of the week. It's a car I most likely would never be able to afford or at least not for a very long time. It doesnt mean much to me seeing them compared cause it's "silly"

We were talking about the cost an evo with mods that equals the cost of a new rs. That is a more reasonable comparison in the sense of getting the most for your money. Your not gonna buy an evo for 35k and drop another 70k into in hopes you can beat gtr's. People that buy gtr's have the money to mod them so it's inevitable to really compare the two cars in hopes of the evo winning. Also I doubt that it u can afford a gtr your gonna pick an evo if your were at the dealership. It's not a close enough comparison in price like the evo and rs is.

A more friendly comparison for the gtr is something like a nsx corvette Aston Martin vantage acr viper, BMW m5 etc. Still huge price differences there but still more realistic comparison. Pretty sure road and track just did a huge comparison in this month's issue. I think the nsx might have been the top car not sure tho.
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Old Nov 26, 2016 | 12:31 PM
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Waiting for the F-35 vs RS vs Evo post...
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Old Nov 26, 2016 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
Waiting for the F-35 vs RS vs Evo post...

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Old Nov 26, 2016 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by The_X_Effect
I would just like a detailed stock vs stock, Evolution X and RS test.

That said, we all know the F-35 is a fat pig.
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Old Nov 26, 2016 | 01:17 PM
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That said, we all know the F-35 is a fat pig.
It's only 26,000lbs without fuel but I'm sure it hides its weight.
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Old Nov 26, 2016 | 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by The_X_Effect
Your comparing a modded evo at most $45k total to a $112k gtr. How isn't that silly. I mean it's intresting to see how they matched up. There in completely different catagories tho. I would expect for a gtr to out perform a modded evo everyday of the week. It's a car I most likely would never be able to afford or at least not for a very long time. It doesnt mean much to me seeing them compared cause it's "silly"

We were talking about the cost an evo with mods that equals the cost of a new rs. That is a more reasonable comparison in the sense of getting the most for your money. Your not gonna buy an evo for 35k and drop another 70k into in hopes you can beat gtr's. People that buy gtr's have the money to mod them so it's inevitable to really compare the two cars in hopes of the evo winning. Also I doubt that it u can afford a gtr your gonna pick an evo if your were at the dealership. It's not a close enough comparison in price like the evo and rs is.

A more friendly comparison for the gtr is something like a nsx corvette Aston Martin vantage acr viper, BMW m5 etc. Still huge price differences there but still more realistic comparison. Pretty sure road and track just did a huge comparison in this month's issue. I think the nsx might have been the top car not sure tho.
Because once you've decided your comparison is stock car with warranty vs modded car without warranty, you're not comparing like things. It doesn't matter if they're both $45k. Once you've established that the warranty is out, it's all a matter of creativity. A $30k C6 Z06 and a check to Lingenfelter will put you into a much faster track and drag car. If you need a back seat the same applies to teh CTS-V. An LS swapped Miata will walk circles around the Evo.

There are literally thousands of threads on this forum discussing "my modded Evo destroyed a <every car ever made>". They're all equally silly. The CT9A is an awesome platform and you can do a lot with it, but the same is true of a lot of other platforms. But if someone is handing me a $45k car, and my choices are a modded 2015 Evo and a factory FoRS, the latter is the better choice by a lot of miles.
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Old Nov 26, 2016 | 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by WestSideBilly
But if someone is handing me a $45k car, and my choices are a modded 2015 Evo and a factory FoRS, the latter is the better choice by a lot of miles.
I drive a stock 2003 one owner Evo. So, in a couple of months the car will be 13 years old with 112K. In that time it has needed a strut, an A/C compressor clutch and a clutch. Say I buy the Ford and drive it the same time and distance. I can't know but I doubt the Ford is built to that standard.
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Old Nov 26, 2016 | 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by WestSideBilly
Because once you've decided your comparison is stock car with warranty vs modded car without warranty, you're not comparing like things. It doesn't matter if they're both $45k. Once you've established that the warranty is out, it's all a matter of creativity. A $30k C6 Z06 and a check to Lingenfelter will put you into a much faster track and drag car. If you need a back seat the same applies to teh CTS-V. An LS swapped Miata will walk circles around the Evo.

There are literally thousands of threads on this forum discussing "my modded Evo destroyed a <every car ever made>". They're all equally silly. The CT9A is an awesome platform and you can do a lot with it, but the same is true of a lot of other platforms. But if someone is handing me a $45k car, and my choices are a modded 2015 Evo and a factory FoRS, the latter is the better choice by a lot of miles.
Cool....it still silly Billy
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Old Nov 26, 2016 | 10:57 PM
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http://www.automobilemag.com/news/20...rience-part-3/
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Old Nov 27, 2016 | 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by WestSideBilly
Because once you've decided your comparison is stock car with warranty vs modded car without warranty, you're not comparing like things. It doesn't matter if they're both $45k. Once you've established that the warranty is out, it's all a matter of creativity. A $30k C6 Z06 and a check to Lingenfelter will put you into a much faster track and drag car. If you need a back seat the same applies to teh CTS-V. An LS swapped Miata will walk circles around the Evo.

There are literally thousands of threads on this forum discussing "my modded Evo destroyed a <every car ever made>". They're all equally silly. The CT9A is an awesome platform and you can do a lot with it, but the same is true of a lot of other platforms. But if someone is handing me a $45k car, and my choices are a modded 2015 Evo and a factory FoRS, the latter is the better choice by a lot of miles.
Only if it is a dry weather toy non DD. Foul weather eliminates all of your comparison.

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I drive a stock 2003 one owner Evo. So, in a couple of months the car will be 13 years old with 112K. In that time it has needed a strut, an A/C compressor clutch and a clutch. Say I buy the Ford and drive it the same time and distance. I can't know but I doubt the Ford is built to that standard.
So far

14 GT-6K miles
Driveline vib @ 50 ish-new driveshaft.
Low brake pedal-told normal, bought take off factory big brake upgrade from Rousch, will install after warantee (will not allow use of factory 18" wheels though).
Bubble in paint, alum hood, fixed under warantee

15 Fusion 2.0 AWD-17 K miles
Tires out of round (not fords fault maybe, but they picked this crappy tire). Got brand new set, still vibrate like crazy under 40 degrees on highway, until fully warmed up.
Trim on drivers door handle came loose, replaced under warantee
Trans gets confused if floored sometimes (waiting upwards of 2 seconds while the car does nothing). Dealer claims can't reproduce, but it is very common in message boards.- no fix known unless you get aftermarket tune.

14 Escape 2.0 AWD-48K miles
Pass halfshaft leaking at trans, new seal and halfshaft replaced under warantee
Trans leaking out of fill/vent. Did not appear anything wrong with trans, but dealer claimed torque conv shot, rebuilt entire trans under warantee.
Rattle in trim on rear hatch. Two bolt where there, but never tightened during build.
Tightned myself, OK since.

I would buy all three of these again (perfromance vs cost is a relative bargain, paid 76.5K for all 3 combined, base purchase prices), but it's really not if they will break, just when. Have factory 125K B to B extended warantee for fusion and escape. Stang will be upgraded or replaced, not sure yet.
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Old Nov 27, 2016 | 08:51 AM
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btw, for the full details, here's the Edmunds article to the above video of the modded Evo X v stock GT-R:

https://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/...mprobable.html

I wonder what rates they used as dual purpose? Because on the vorschlag Evolution X development thread, they eventually went pretty in their race applications.

I'll also figure a MR sst would be worth a decent bit in decreased lap times.

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Old Nov 27, 2016 | 09:20 AM
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Ah yes, the foul weather excuse. Because that's what people brag about.

"Sure your C5 Corvette will rape my Evo on the track, but if it snows and I have winter tires, you're in trouble."
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Old Nov 27, 2016 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by OX
So far

14 GT-6K miles
Driveline vib @ 50 ish-new driveshaft.
Low brake pedal-told normal, bought take off factory big brake upgrade from Rousch, will install after warantee (will not allow use of factory 18" wheels though).
Bubble in paint, alum hood, fixed under warantee

15 Fusion 2.0 AWD-17 K miles
Tires out of round (not fords fault maybe, but they picked this crappy tire). Got brand new set, still vibrate like crazy under 40 degrees on highway, until fully warmed up.
Trim on drivers door handle came loose, replaced under warantee
Trans gets confused if floored sometimes (waiting upwards of 2 seconds while the car does nothing). Dealer claims can't reproduce, but it is very common in message boards.- no fix known unless you get aftermarket tune.

14 Escape 2.0 AWD-48K miles
Pass halfshaft leaking at trans, new seal and halfshaft replaced under warantee
Trans leaking out of fill/vent. Did not appear anything wrong with trans, but dealer claimed torque conv shot, rebuilt entire trans under warantee.
Rattle in trim on rear hatch. Two bolt where there, but never tightened during build.
Tightned myself, OK since.

I would buy all three of these again (perfromance vs cost is a relative bargain, paid 76.5K for all 3 combined, base purchase prices), but it's really not if they will break, just when. Have factory 125K B to B extended warantee for fusion and escape. Stang will be upgraded or replaced, not sure yet.
Maybe you need a German/Mexican built Ford?

I'm on my second Fiesta ST (my first and second Ford ownership experience) and have had absolutely zero issues with both of them, surprisingly.

I tracked the first one with over 100wtq more than stock, on the stock clutch even.
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Old Nov 27, 2016 | 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by razorlab
Maybe you need a German/Mexican built Ford?

I'm on my second Fiesta ST (my first and second Ford ownership experience) and have had absolutely zero issues with both of them, surprisingly.

I tracked the first one with over 100wtq more than stock, on the stock clutch even.
Oddly, my union built, mostly ford, 08 mazda6 went 100K with no problems and I hammered that car harder than almost any car I've ever owned.
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Old Nov 27, 2016 | 11:15 AM
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Only if it is a dry weather toy non DD. Foul weather eliminates all of your comparison.
Because we all go out in bad weather to run our cars flat out.
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