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Lets get this back on topic with an unfair comparison.
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/20...ty-113102.html
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/20...ty-113102.html
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Lets get this back on topic with an unfair comparison.
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/20...ty-113102.html
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/20...ty-113102.html
Anyway. GT3 is a much better car than the Evo. But evo can be just as fast as the GT3 for a lot less money. Both cars need a good driver to get the best out of them. I also make a bold comment, i think the GT3 is easier to drive at the limit then any Evo i have ever driven.
GT3 is a spectacular car, but needs a turbo in my opinion, as i said it before
Your comparison has a lot more merit to it than a comparison between a modified Evo, and a stock Porsche, in a thread about the Focus RS. I do think comparing modified to stock, even if they're in the same ballpark is a poor comparison. I'm not sure where you get the $8,000 price difference; in Canada, an RS is listed at $48,218 while an Evo is $49,498.
I posted a price on the EVO with a non FE being a hair over 30. Very few in the US seem to getting as low as even sticker on the RS so far,
and most are not the base price. My comparison is transaction prices, currently, on new cars in the US.
Don't get me wrong, there are intangibles that may make the Ford worth 6-8 grand more. Mitsu is not supporting perf cars,
while ford is going full speed (heck Mistu may not even be around 5 years from now). It obviously handles better stock and
can get plenty of power without even a turbo upgrade.
But, even though I'm a huge ford fanboy (I currently own 9 fords, everything from a 59 T-bird to a 14 GT Stang),
I am not convinced the RS is going to be reliable enough 8-10 years from now to want to keep it (I keep my cars a
LONG time, I still have my first new car, 86 Capri 5.0). It appears that some of the software on how the drivetrain works
is very complex and maybe not ever going to be able to be messed with by the average backyard tinkerer (and possibly
very few of the tuners either).
The 3 new fords I have, have all had minor to major problems already. Worse was the woman's 14 escape with 48K miles,
the trans just blew up (and she drives very conservatively, a lot of highway obviously by the mileage).
Ford's attention to detail and fixing long term issues is dismal. My 14 GT has 5Kish miles, never seen snow (only rain twice),
yet I had a paint bubble on the alum hood already (this problem has been going on since 2005, when the alum hood came out).
Last edited by OX; Nov 22, 2016 at 03:43 AM.
Yeah, bone stock 2016 GT auto ran a 12.67 the night I was @ Atco (@ 113 plus).
With the monster tires and traction control of the newer RWD perf cars, the 60' advantage
is not anywhere near it was like when the EVO first came to the US.
New auto SS Camaros have gone 11.8's bone stock.
With the monster tires and traction control of the newer RWD perf cars, the 60' advantage
is not anywhere near it was like when the EVO first came to the US.
New auto SS Camaros have gone 11.8's bone stock.
Holy crap ***** really??
I posted a price on the EVO with a non FE being a hair over 30. Very few in the US seem to getting as low as even sticker on the RS so far,
and most are not the base price. My comparison is transaction prices, currently, on new cars in the US.
Don't get me wrong, there are intangibles that may make the Ford worth 6-8 grand more. Mitsu is not supporting perf cars,
while ford is going full speed (heck Mistu may not even be around 5 years from now). It obviously handles better stock and
can get plenty of power without even a turbo upgrade.
But, even though I'm a huge ford fanboy (I currently own 9 fords, everything from a 59 T-bird to a 14 GT Stang),
I am not convinced the RS is going to be reliable enough 8-10 years from now to want to keep it (I keep my cars a
LONG time, I still have my first new car, 86 Capri 5.0). It appears that some of the software on how the drivetrain works
is very complex and maybe not ever going to be able to be messed with by the average backyard tinkerer (and possibly
very few of the tuners either).
The 3 new fords I have, have all had minor to major problems already. Worse was the woman's 14 escape with 48K miles,
the trans just blew up (and she drives very conservatively, a lot of highway obviously by the mileage).
Ford's attention to detail and fixing long term issues is dismal. My 14 GT has 5Kish miles, never seen snow (only rain twice),
yet I had a paint bubble on the alum hood already (this problem has been going on since 2005, when the alum hood came out).
and most are not the base price. My comparison is transaction prices, currently, on new cars in the US.
Don't get me wrong, there are intangibles that may make the Ford worth 6-8 grand more. Mitsu is not supporting perf cars,
while ford is going full speed (heck Mistu may not even be around 5 years from now). It obviously handles better stock and
can get plenty of power without even a turbo upgrade.
But, even though I'm a huge ford fanboy (I currently own 9 fords, everything from a 59 T-bird to a 14 GT Stang),
I am not convinced the RS is going to be reliable enough 8-10 years from now to want to keep it (I keep my cars a
LONG time, I still have my first new car, 86 Capri 5.0). It appears that some of the software on how the drivetrain works
is very complex and maybe not ever going to be able to be messed with by the average backyard tinkerer (and possibly
very few of the tuners either).
The 3 new fords I have, have all had minor to major problems already. Worse was the woman's 14 escape with 48K miles,
the trans just blew up (and she drives very conservatively, a lot of highway obviously by the mileage).
Ford's attention to detail and fixing long term issues is dismal. My 14 GT has 5Kish miles, never seen snow (only rain twice),
yet I had a paint bubble on the alum hood already (this problem has been going on since 2005, when the alum hood came out).
Now we are going to also dismiss the actual purchase prices, because you don't think it is fair.
If it takes you fairness, vs reality, to win a debate, have at it I guess..............
MSRP of both vehicles are what should be compared. Dealer mark ups are only paid by folks that have to have car and money is not an object or when mommy and daddy are footing the bill. Any money conscious enthusiast looking at either car will not pay any sort of dealer mark up.
I know I wouldn't. Even if that meant traveling to another dealer or out of state, talking with a Fleet salesman as has been suggested, or hell maybe there are Ford Dealers on the forums as we had mitsu dealers here back in the day selling the cars to enthusiasts MSRP or under. Not saying there is never looked.
I have Ford Factory pricing through my employer along with GM, VW, Audi, and MB. So that would be my first avenue if I was in the market.
Have not seen a RS on a Ford lot though I haven't looked either, but recent trips to both Subaru and Mitsubishi for parts for my cars.
New STI ~35k w/o Nav sticker price, They only had one on the lot.
Evo FE range from w/o Nav 34k-40k w/nav sticker price. They have 8 on the lot currently
Two of the FE Evos with Nav were 40k. Cant imagine Nav is a 6k option so they must of had other options as well on the Nav cars. All were MT Evo FE's though. Aside from the 2 Nav cars the other 6 ranged from 34k-36k again guessing options. I didn't compare each option individually on the stickers just looked at them all quickly as they are all right out front.
Neither STI or any of the EVO's had any adjusted market value sticker on them or dealer installed option sticker on them. These were the prices right off the Mitsu and Subaru Factory Window Stickers
I know I wouldn't. Even if that meant traveling to another dealer or out of state, talking with a Fleet salesman as has been suggested, or hell maybe there are Ford Dealers on the forums as we had mitsu dealers here back in the day selling the cars to enthusiasts MSRP or under. Not saying there is never looked.
I have Ford Factory pricing through my employer along with GM, VW, Audi, and MB. So that would be my first avenue if I was in the market.
Have not seen a RS on a Ford lot though I haven't looked either, but recent trips to both Subaru and Mitsubishi for parts for my cars.
New STI ~35k w/o Nav sticker price, They only had one on the lot.
Evo FE range from w/o Nav 34k-40k w/nav sticker price. They have 8 on the lot currently
Two of the FE Evos with Nav were 40k. Cant imagine Nav is a 6k option so they must of had other options as well on the Nav cars. All were MT Evo FE's though. Aside from the 2 Nav cars the other 6 ranged from 34k-36k again guessing options. I didn't compare each option individually on the stickers just looked at them all quickly as they are all right out front.
Neither STI or any of the EVO's had any adjusted market value sticker on them or dealer installed option sticker on them. These were the prices right off the Mitsu and Subaru Factory Window Stickers
So we are going to ignore what many car enthusiasts consider, between highly competitive new car offerings, the cheaper car and mild mods vs the more expensive car.
Now we are going to also dismiss the actual purchase prices, because you don't think it is fair.
If it takes you fairness, vs reality, to win a debate, have at it I guess..............
Now we are going to also dismiss the actual purchase prices, because you don't think it is fair.
If it takes you fairness, vs reality, to win a debate, have at it I guess..............
So we are going to ignore what many car enthusiasts consider, between highly competitive new car offerings, the cheaper car and mild mods vs the more expensive car.
Now we are going to also dismiss the actual purchase prices, because you don't think it is fair.
If it takes you fairness, vs reality, to win a debate, have at it I guess..............
Now we are going to also dismiss the actual purchase prices, because you don't think it is fair.
If it takes you fairness, vs reality, to win a debate, have at it I guess..............
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MSRP of both vehicles are what should be compared. Dealer mark ups are only paid by folks that have to have car and money is not an object or when mommy and daddy are footing the bill. Any money conscious enthusiast looking at either car will not pay any sort of dealer mark up.
I know I wouldn't. Even if that meant traveling to another dealer or out of state, talking with a Fleet salesman as has been suggested, or hell maybe there are Ford Dealers on the forums as we had mitsu dealers here back in the day selling the cars to enthusiasts MSRP or under. Not saying there is never looked.
I have Ford Factory pricing through my employer along with GM, VW, Audi, and MB. So that would be my first avenue if I was in the market.
Have not seen a RS on a Ford lot though I haven't looked either, but recent trips to both Subaru and Mitsubishi for parts for my cars.
New STI ~35k w/o Nav sticker price, They only had one on the lot.
Evo FE range from w/o Nav 34k-40k w/nav sticker price. They have 8 on the lot currently
Two of the FE Evos with Nav were 40k. Cant imagine Nav is a 6k option so they must of had other options as well on the Nav cars. All were MT Evo FE's though. Aside from the 2 Nav cars the other 6 ranged from 34k-36k again guessing options. I didn't compare each option individually on the stickers just looked at them all quickly as they are all right out front.
Neither STI or any of the EVO's had any adjusted market value sticker on them or dealer installed option sticker on them. These were the prices right off the Mitsu and Subaru Factory Window Stickers
I know I wouldn't. Even if that meant traveling to another dealer or out of state, talking with a Fleet salesman as has been suggested, or hell maybe there are Ford Dealers on the forums as we had mitsu dealers here back in the day selling the cars to enthusiasts MSRP or under. Not saying there is never looked.
I have Ford Factory pricing through my employer along with GM, VW, Audi, and MB. So that would be my first avenue if I was in the market.
Have not seen a RS on a Ford lot though I haven't looked either, but recent trips to both Subaru and Mitsubishi for parts for my cars.
New STI ~35k w/o Nav sticker price, They only had one on the lot.
Evo FE range from w/o Nav 34k-40k w/nav sticker price. They have 8 on the lot currently
Two of the FE Evos with Nav were 40k. Cant imagine Nav is a 6k option so they must of had other options as well on the Nav cars. All were MT Evo FE's though. Aside from the 2 Nav cars the other 6 ranged from 34k-36k again guessing options. I didn't compare each option individually on the stickers just looked at them all quickly as they are all right out front.
Neither STI or any of the EVO's had any adjusted market value sticker on them or dealer installed option sticker on them. These were the prices right off the Mitsu and Subaru Factory Window Stickers