stock to stock

Ambstorm01, have you had an opportunity to drive a GT3 or GT3 RS? 996, 997 or 991, either.
I have. Properly setup cars.
Guess what:
They rattle, they are noisy, they are harsh, and they are simple.
Somewhat upmarket from Evo..but once you drive them...you find that up to 5000rpm the Evo is significantly faster, and than Gt3 is faster stock to stock.

But if Evo is moderately "optimized", say Reflash/Cams+Ohlins, its very close, bolt up HKS7460 and Evo is faster car..by little.

The highlight of this is however not the power, but the confidence and ease with which Evo can be driven compared to 996/997 GT3/RS.

Perhaps you know all this, than I am surprised you see them as being so different.
They are polar opposites, yet they perform so similarly its shocking when you discover it in real world.

OK, neither is subject of this discussion..again..you are so insistent on something ..I am compelled to bring arguments because I experienced them and was at first shocked by the finding.

Signing off, I am not here to preach..only to share on occasion, and happy to keep quiet.
Its about the driving for me.

 

RazorLab

Orthojoe (Joe) is hardly newby to Thunderhill and other tracks, he is far above "average": he owns each GT3/RS/Spyder generation example.

And methodical since Evo and FRS days.

So his 1.58s in 991...its easy to see why...991 is significantly easier to drive than his 997 GT3..

 

Stop talking bull****, man. If you want to tell everyone how great the ****ing Evo is, do it in a thread about the Evo.

 

This is a message board for EVO's, remember??
I'm sure the Focus RS board has minimal EVO talk or comparisons........

 

I never said Joe was a newbie and I gave data points of his Evo and his two porsches on the same track.

A stock Evo is faster than a 991 GT3?

this thread is seriously an alternate dimension.

 

This particular section used to be called "Other Cars", because it was designed for discussion about other cars. There is no reason to discuss how the Evo stacks up against a Porsche in a thread about the Focus RS.

 

So you would like a safe space to do so?

The Evo and this board will die soon enough. What's wrong with this little watering hole as a gathering place? After all, the RS is like the heir to the affordable "awd" crown. I'm assuming Subaru doesn't really care to compete because they are selling everything they make these days.

 

I had a very legitimate comparison of two EXTREMELY SIMILAR, BRAND NEW cars, of which 90%+ would cross shop.

One was 6 to 8 grand cheaper and many might consider the cheaper car, with some bolt on mods, as the way to go.

You obviously don't like that comparison, making ridiculous comparison of some POS that you put 20 grand into. Very few would or could make that comparison, as you are talking a major build with the POS (few have even the knowledge, let alone ability to tackle that build).

 

Cliffnotes for some of these posts, please? LOL

 

TL,DR.


Looks like we're back to comparing $140k cars to modified Evos in a thread about a different car, so... status quo.

 

Not at all, but much like how I'm sure people would be upset if someone started talking about downpipes in a technical thread about coilovers, it's annoying that we're now off on another tangent, and a ridiculous one at that.

Your comparison has a lot more merit to it than a comparison between a modified Evo, and a stock Porsche, in a thread about the Focus RS. I do think comparing modified to stock, even if they're in the same ballpark is a poor comparison. I'm not sure where you get the $8,000 price difference; in Canada, an RS is listed at $48,218 while an Evo is $49,498.

 

who else got a good LOL out of this?

 

at the very least can we get back to evo vs fors...

 

Ecoboost gets a boost. There is a replacement for displacement.

http://autoweek.com/article/rumormil...hting-upgrades

 

LOL. Yeah. No way am i reading those posts. But you summed it up about right.