I tried to put a deposit down on a Corolla, but the markup had me changing my mind.
New for MSRP or used for less and I'm in.
So, I went down to pick up this car, but they wanted more than MSRP, with 20k miles. Nope.

 

Work associate just bought a 2017 JK Jeep (full aftermarket susp, wheels etc) 45K miles. Paid approx $47K Today, told me he had a bit of buyers remorse

We have to wait out this economic / inflation issue somewhat like 2008? (but different)

 

in 2008 they were practically giving away used v8 SUVs. my 4yo X5 4.4i 45kmi post lease was $16.5k.
Its still running BTW (struggles during cold starts) and I'm looking to get it replaced by this GRC

 

Market experts expect a cooldown of vehicle prices in the back half of 2023 at the earliest, which is when they expect supply to finally catch up enough. The average new car is selling for more than MSRP right now, so it's not at all a surprise that dealers are going to get away with 5-figure markups on the GR-FOUR. Heck, 2019 Golf R's are all sitting around the MSRP of a brand new 2022 Golf R in Canada (which is somehow priced wayyyy below what the US Golf R goes for). Crazy times.

 

Honestly idk if it’s even gonna cool down in 2023 when supply chain catches up, with the end of ICE powered cars/trucks in sight people are trying to jump on that. The closer we get to 2030/35 the more demand there will be for ICE cars. Unless they raises road taxes like crazy on ICE cars but I don’t really see that happening cause it’ll villainized as the tax on the poor.

 

I thought you bought a GT350R?

 

Why not get a brand new one at MSRP? Longo Toyota, probably 3 hours south of you. None in stock but I'm told the wait isn't bad.

 

They won't sell me a new one at MSRP. They had none in yellow so I wasn't even tempted.

I did. It's listed for sale. It's neat, but not for me.

 

Ah, interesting, what didn't work for you?

 

Honestly, the Evo spoiled me. I can't expect all cars to feel the same, but the Mustang seems so much less connected. Despite so many controls being electric, they are really good. Tracking it was almost Gran Turismo-like. I know where the car was and it was fast... But it was so smooth and there was no drama. That should be a good thing and could help me to go even faster, but if it's not as fun, then what can ya do?

 

Supra is the same until you do some suspension mods. Just an FYI. Fast with good grip but you have to trust it because you can't feel much.

 

Hm. So, raises the question: would there be an advantage to buying a Supra other than a lower car payment.
The Mustang feels pretty big. I really need to test drive a Supra to be sure, but I have to imagine it feeling half the size.

 

Yes, it absolutely feels smaller and more nimble than the mustang. It also communicates better than any modern bmw. Better than the M2. With suspension upgrades and a good alignment it's pretty killer now.

 

They are one of the only dealers around that sell at msrp. Did you really even try with them? The whole reason I went with them for my 86 is cause they did msrp....

 

Yes. I spent a week going back and forth with the internet sales manager. They wanted over MSRP and offered a really low amount on my trade in. The trade in part was no big as I'll sell the car on my own, but I won't over pay for a new car.
It's okay. I really should sell the Moostang first, anyway. Multiple car payments is no fun.