Spinning front, inside tire.
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I'm old school and would gladly trade my electronics due mechanical diffs in all three areas.
helical F and C, plated R.
But...since I do have the ECU, at least we can tune them!
helical F and C, plated R.
But...since I do have the ECU, at least we can tune them!
There is a reason active diffs were invented.
Its hard as we get older to accept new things when the old things work just fine. But that's how old grumpy people are made. I decided a long time ago to accept change is going to happen, embrace it early, get ahead of the curve.
Upgrading a car to a DCT box is hard, with cost being the biggest issue. But to talk about literally downgrading components because you're "old school" is pretty silly. That's like we should all go back to turbo with cast compressor wheels, ditch EFI in favor of carbs, and stick a points distributor with fixed timing on the end of the exhaust cam because who wants a pesky COP ignition. Oh, make sure to delete your Mivec too, wouldn't want any of that technology doing cool stuff for you.
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I often talk about my future track car being an Evo X MR. It has 2 active diffs, AND a DCT box. Somone finally makes a viable stroker crank for the 4b11 too..
Upgrading a car to a DCT box is hard, with cost being the biggest issue. But to talk about literally downgrading components because you're "old school" is pretty silly. That's like we should all go back to turbo with cast compressor wheels, ditch EFI in favor of carbs, and stick a points distributor with fixed timing on the end of the exhaust cam because who wants a pesky COP ignition. Oh, make sure to delete your Mivec too, wouldn't want any of that technology doing cool stuff for you.
Upgrading a car to a DCT box is hard, with cost being the biggest issue. But to talk about literally downgrading components because you're "old school" is pretty silly. That's like we should all go back to turbo with cast compressor wheels, ditch EFI in favor of carbs, and stick a points distributor with fixed timing on the end of the exhaust cam because who wants a pesky COP ignition. Oh, make sure to delete your Mivec too, wouldn't want any of that technology doing cool stuff for you.
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If I were all about the faster lap time, my car would be built a whole different way. It's built for my enjoyment and mine only. It's not the fastest but I enjoy it the most. I'll never claim my preferences are for everyone. I do chase lap times ,but only within the parameters of the car being fun for me to drive.
Shoot, If it were only about lap times, it's possible I wouldn't even have my Evo.
Yeah, paddle shifters are faster, AYC makes a car faster. So does more power. So do a lot of things that I have no interest in.
....yet. 😉
Shoot, If it were only about lap times, it's possible I wouldn't even have my Evo.
Yeah, paddle shifters are faster, AYC makes a car faster. So does more power. So do a lot of things that I have no interest in.
....yet. 😉
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I can fully appreciate wanting to strip out too much of the impure aspects of a mechanical Evo but it really is simple and robust with just a few things to think about (dont let it get salty bro). And the alternative is? Viscous, and? I dont even know if theres a quality replacement.
Big diff from a complete computerized transmission or Traction control. I think the Center diff to me is more seamless in action like the ABS where you shouldn't know its there.
My S4 is DCT and I try every once in a while (tried today actually) to drive in normally in manual mode. Its so totally devoid of feel, I could only know when it shift by looking down at RPM. DDing a manual, think about how often you actually have to look at the speed. Its just more engaging in feel vs waiting for a visual queue. The S4 + DCT is such a good DD but I really struggle to have fun with it on the street other than a little heavy throttle and let it pick a gear. Might as well be a slush box, which is what they did with the B9.
But I do agree on the EvoX. If I was building a pure track car at this point, I think the X is far enough along I wouldn't have a problem with it and its DCT.
Big diff from a complete computerized transmission or Traction control. I think the Center diff to me is more seamless in action like the ABS where you shouldn't know its there.
My S4 is DCT and I try every once in a while (tried today actually) to drive in normally in manual mode. Its so totally devoid of feel, I could only know when it shift by looking down at RPM. DDing a manual, think about how often you actually have to look at the speed. Its just more engaging in feel vs waiting for a visual queue. The S4 + DCT is such a good DD but I really struggle to have fun with it on the street other than a little heavy throttle and let it pick a gear. Might as well be a slush box, which is what they did with the B9.
But I do agree on the EvoX. If I was building a pure track car at this point, I think the X is far enough along I wouldn't have a problem with it and its DCT.
cusco used to make a 35/65. i'm a huge fan of the acd though, just makes me laugh to think about going down the rabbithole of how people want to set up their cars their own way and what's fun, what's fast, whatevver
I prefer non acd because it less things to fail, to leak, less weight and takes up less space. It obviously provides benefits or it never would've been put into the evo. Cusco used to offer a replacement center diff (they still might) and Quaife does as well. I have no issues getting grip, the car rotates how I want it so I see no reason to add acd.
Mivec would be nice to have but people want so much more for mivec heads and I don't feel like doing all the work to change it over, maybe in the future I'll span that gap but for now non mivec is fine by me.
Mivec would be nice to have but people want so much more for mivec heads and I don't feel like doing all the work to change it over, maybe in the future I'll span that gap but for now non mivec is fine by me.
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I prefer non acd because it less things to fail, to leak, less weight and takes up less space. It obviously provides benefits or it never would've been put into the evo. Cusco used to offer a replacement center diff (they still might) and Quaife does as well. I have no issues getting grip, the car rotates how I want it so I see no reason to add acd.
Mivec would be nice to have but people want so much more for mivec heads and I don't feel like doing all the work to change it over, maybe in the future I'll span that gap but for now non mivec is fine by me.
Mivec would be nice to have but people want so much more for mivec heads and I don't feel like doing all the work to change it over, maybe in the future I'll span that gap but for now non mivec is fine by me.
If I ever build a car where I'm trying to be as fast as possible, at all costs, that will be different. I'll take full advantage of anything I can, at that point.
For now, I'm just having fun.
