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Old Oct 3, 2018 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by kyoo
wtf?? jon@tre set up mine so i assume it's good there, it's just too aggressive on decel for me. maybe good for road racing only, but i need looser for the mix i do.
If it's tuneable, just pull it out and make the changes? It doesn't really take that long and worth it, if it gets the result you need.
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Old Oct 3, 2018 | 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by kaj
If it's tuneable, just pull it out and make the changes? It doesn't really take that long and worth it, if it gets the result you need.
eh.. i'm not sure how significant that change will be, ie deactivating clutch plates or removing springs, compared to a true 1-way system which won't lock under decel at all. Deactivating clutch plates will make it lock less, but on accel as well as decel.
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Old Oct 3, 2018 | 04:26 PM
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Bummer. I thought you would be able to make it a straight 1-way.
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Old Oct 3, 2018 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by kaj
Bummer. I thought you would be able to make it a straight 1-way.
i think the 1-way can be flipped to 2-way, and the 1.5-way can be flipped to 2-way, but you can't go between 1-way and 1.5-way.

i'm almost set on the 1-way 151FG version. after talking to OSG they wanted way too much money. i'll grab that, sell the 1.5way, and do some testing to see how it performs
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Old Oct 3, 2018 | 07:39 PM
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Open on decel stabilizes the car. To make it looser off throttle, you would increase locking on decel.
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Old Oct 3, 2018 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
Open on decel stabilizes the car. To make it looser off throttle, you would increase locking on decel.
Disagree. You have it backwards.
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Old Oct 3, 2018 | 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by griceiv
Disagree. You have it backwards.
All my experience in trucks with spools tells me otherwise. Having the rear locked into a low speed corner make the rear of the car want to step out when you're at the limit of grip.

Maybe on a Sunday drive open on decel well let the car turn tighter. But it's not going to induce rotation.

With the TRE diff, I can carry slip angle on the brakes into the apex at autocross. Couldn't do that with the stock diff.

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Old Oct 3, 2018 | 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
All my experience in trucks with spools tells me otherwise. Having the rear locked into a low speed corner make the rear of the car want to step out when you're at the limit of grip.

Maybe on a Sunday drive open on decel well let the car turn tighter. But it's not going to induce rotation.

With the TRE diff, I can carry slip angle on the brakes into the apex at autocross. Couldn't do that with the stock diff.
That's because a spool is full lock or nothing. Yes, at full lock it will make the vehicle more loose/prone to swing the rear end out. It's this same reason no one runs a 2 way because the lockup on decel is too great to be useful for anything other than a drift car. A 1.5 is nice because you can have a properly aggressive lockup on accel and just enough lock on decel to gain stability during decel.

This is all in reference to rear diffs of course. A front diff has different requirements because the front wheels also have to steer the vehicle.
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Old Oct 4, 2018 | 01:46 PM
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Well if we were driving trucks your experience might be applicable.
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Old Oct 4, 2018 | 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by griceiv
Well if we were driving trucks your experience might be applicable.
Its vehicle dynamics.
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Old Oct 5, 2018 | 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by letsgetthisdone
Its vehicle dynamics.
It's also tires, suspension geometry, weight and balance, surface friction among other things. Unless you're telling us that you take your truck out on a road course or autox course with high performance tires.

Locking a differential together makes it go straight until you can saturate the traction capability of the tires or lift one tire off the ground. While it may be quite easy to saturate the traction capability of the tires on your truck in the dirt and result in oversteer, I guarantee that is not the case with an evo on asphalt/concrete.
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Old Oct 5, 2018 | 10:44 AM
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I doubt anyone is going to buy this article but the summary gets the point across.
https://www.sae.org/publications/tec...ontent/942485/
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Old Oct 5, 2018 | 11:16 AM
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At autocross, I generally carry slip angle into the apex if I find the car is pushing on entry into a certain corner.
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Old Oct 5, 2018 | 12:13 PM
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There are 3 discussions going about diffs, and many from years ago, and I still can't figure if there is anyway for me to curb the bucking without shelling out for a clutch type front diff.
Help Needed please :-)
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Old Oct 5, 2018 | 01:08 PM
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Clutch type diff wont necessarily cure the bucking either. Im assuming your car is pretty low and you're on sticky tires. As a test, try raising just the front of your car by 1/2".
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