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Old May 12, 2022 | 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by EVO8LTW
When you say wiring, do you mean the jumper harness? I’m working on that for my Emtron. Who knew there was so much to learn just to do such a seemingly simple project.
I have the plug n play harness for Motec and I could just wire an IAT to the MAF harness and assign those pins to be ready to go. But Im making a separate set of wires/harness to add all the wires for the intended sensors and DBW. My only reason for delay is Ive been building a new house and shop for like 2+ years. Just moved in a couple weeks ago but season is just starting so theres always the risk of something going wrong and mucking up my season.
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Old Jan 13, 2023 | 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by EVO8LTW
Still struggling to make this decision. The tuner I’m likely to use to get me setup is recommending Link over Haltech, and Emtron as the nest step up, based on the speed of the units and especially the datalogging aspects. He said that Haltech is more tedious to tune because the logging app isn’t well integrated with the tuning software compared to the others. Thoughts? He offers tuning of all of the systems mentioned in this thread and a bunch more. He is extremely knowledgeable, as demonstrated by his library of instructional videos, including using EcuFlash on Evos.

Did you end up going with Link ?
As the tuner I will be using recommended the same standalone.
Andy from Neetronics Automotive (Oakville,ON) specializes with Subies but has had experience with CT9A platform.
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Old Jan 13, 2023 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by pnwstudios
Did you end up going with Link ?
As the tuner I will be using recommended the same standalone.
Andy from Neetronics Automotive (Oakville,ON) specializes with Subies but has had experience with CT9A platform.
I got an Emtron, which I still need to install. So many projects, so many hobbies…
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Old Jan 13, 2023 | 02:32 PM
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Link shouldn't even be considered.


Haltech, Motec, or Emtron. Find a new tuner if yours is seriously suggesting a link.
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Old Jan 13, 2023 | 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGetThisDone
Link shouldn't even be considered.


Haltech, Motec, or Emtron. Find a new tuner if yours is seriously suggesting a link.

Not a lot of tuners here in Ontario, Canada that have experience with the platform but I shall keep looking and find the chosen one
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Old Jan 13, 2023 | 03:17 PM
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andy tuned mine on a haltech. he prefers link though.

Originally Posted by pnwstudios
Not a lot of tuners here in Ontario, Canada that have experience with the platform but I shall keep looking and find the chosen one
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Old Jan 13, 2023 | 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by LetsGetThisDone
Link shouldn't even be considered.
Haltech, Motec, or Emtron. Find a new tuner if yours is seriously suggesting a link.
Cmon - Link isn't that bad.
It's a great entry/medium level ECU. Very capable.
Sure the Motec and Emtron are much better, but for a basic setup the Link will definitely do the job.
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Old Jan 13, 2023 | 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by RSMike
Cmon - Link isn't that bad.
It's a great entry/medium level ECU. Very capable.
Sure the Motec and Emtron are much better, but for a basic setup the Link will definitely do the job.
If I wanted to run open loop at WOT, I'd just leave the stock ECU in it.
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Old Jan 13, 2023 | 04:30 PM
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There are certainly improvements and flexibilities the Link ECU brings, but it seems sort of a mid ground change when itd be better to just go full Haltech at that point. The only reason I went motec over haltech was for ACD control.
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Old Jan 15, 2023 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by RSMike
Cmon - Link isn't that bad.
It's a great entry/medium level ECU. Very capable.
Sure the Motec and Emtron are much better, but for a basic setup the Link will definitely do the job.
The haltech product range has far surprassed link. Im surprised that tuner above is saying its harder to tune a Haltech than a link, It basically auto tunes. You can use a trace function and do a dyno pull and it will trace each cell you went through and you can instantly adjust based off the lambda etc. Id say its more likely the tuner mentioned above just hasnt been shown how to tune a Haltech and hes trying to do it the old school way by doing a pull then looking at the log and manually adjusting the fuel map. Link doesnt do long term fuel trims or anything either.

When we had to swap from BP E85 to Gull 85 for a round last year 2 of my competitors and I all bought drums together at the same time from the same place. Both the other cars ran link's and had to be re dynoed as they ran lean on the Gull fuel. I was warned to check mine also after they found this. The haltech just auto adjusted my tune based on its target lambda and short term fuel trim and when we checked the fuel map the AFR's were perfect. Shows the difference in technology. Link is a good product but its fast become an outdated product also IMO and there is now far better options on the market with more modern features. Especially for road cars.
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Old Jan 15, 2023 | 02:11 PM
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I was recently in the market for Link and wanted to order it from a tuner that sold and mapped them... He said, "here is a great deal on a used M130 Motec, it is a bit more expensive but you will thank me later"
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Old Jan 15, 2023 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by kikiturbo
I was recently in the market for Link and wanted to order it from a tuner that sold and mapped them... He said, "here is a great deal on a used M130 Motec, it is a bit more expensive but you will thank me later"
Im finding it pretty easy to run out of inputs on my M150 with all the things needed for OEM equipment, ACD control, added sensors, and DBW. But if you dont need the ACD or DBW, the M130 seems like a great option. And only 2 connectors fits a lot better than 4.
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Old Jan 15, 2023 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Dallas J
Im finding it pretty easy to run out of inputs on my M150 with all the things needed for OEM equipment, ACD control, added sensors, and DBW. But if you dont need the ACD or DBW, the M130 seems like a great option. And only 2 connectors fits a lot better than 4.
the deal was too good and no 150 available at remotely similar price. ACD I do not need as I have ayc and ACD, and current packages can not run those. I would really like to develop the ayc/ACD code for motec someday as I can code well enough, but that would need development licenses and probably M150, and I cant take that cost right now.
As for DBW throttle, I would really like to run it.. I will probably get a E888 expander module as I want to run thermo couples in the exhausts and that can run additional sensors..
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Old Jan 17, 2023 | 10:15 AM
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Used MoTeC gear is hard to find, especially at a good discount.

@Dallas J do you remember which requirements bumped you from the M130 to the M150? JRR's website shows his M130 kit as being able to control the ACD: https://johnreedracing.com/collectio...9-m130-pnp-kit

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Old Jan 17, 2023 | 01:44 PM
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It was combining ACD and DBW that really pushes you over the top. ACD does have a lot of wires but a lot it doesnt take up too many of the voltage or temp inputs which you need for external sensors and DBW.
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