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From: Allen
I initially wanted to open one up in DFW area so it would be a great reason to move there but with a college town (fayetteville, ar) and having the only bar row street (Dickson St) the profit margin would be great during Friday and Saturday nights when open till 4/5am plus a lot of people do hit Dickson for lunch as it is only 5 minutes away from the middle of campus by walking. If everything goes as hoped soon enough might be able to open up another one in DFW area. I will have turkish food mainly hand held kind, for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doner . Very easy to produce, very fast service and very tasty. The best part of it all is that there are no other places that serves that here, in dallas they do one being Istanbul Cafe (they have 2 locations, 1 of em is being renovated at least was when I was down there but cant remember the addresses lol). I am in the process of finishing up the business proposal with all the fees... I tell you what though man... This is no where as easy I thought it was going to be, there are a gagilion things to keep in mind and you keep adding things on the financial subject of the proposal its insane lol.
Please explain how you get 400 to the wheels for 5K parts and labor? Not using Meth, NOS or something that blows the engine
Even if you go FP Black, which is not street able, that's $2000, cams are $1200 if installed properly with springs.
Full exhaust even a cheap one will cost $1500 min...
Fuel System will cost $800
You still have labor.. correct me if I'm wrong... that's $5500 plus labor And that's not a safe car at all.... No intercooler...no SST cooler. That's another $2000 installed.
I know your method of ECU flash would be free but there is still dyno time??
Its not hard to hit 10K or 15K for a really safe street able MR
Even if you go FP Black, which is not street able, that's $2000, cams are $1200 if installed properly with springs.
Full exhaust even a cheap one will cost $1500 min...
Fuel System will cost $800
You still have labor.. correct me if I'm wrong... that's $5500 plus labor And that's not a safe car at all.... No intercooler...no SST cooler. That's another $2000 installed.
I know your method of ECU flash would be free but there is still dyno time??
Its not hard to hit 10K or 15K for a really safe street able MR
how to make 400whp for less then 5000 dollars.
FP red (used, currently can't buy new ones) = 1200
ETS catback exhaust (single exit) = 750
ETS downpipe = 500
EvoD test pipe = 200
FIC1100 cc injectors = 500
walbro 255 + install kit = 200
grimmspeed 3 port = 110
ETS intake = 270
ETS UICP = 240
turbo install = 450
exhaust install = 75
injector install = 40
fuel pump install = 50
Tune = 300
tank of E85 = 30
UICP + intake + 3port install = 75
total: 4990
dyno time isn't necessary to tune a car. but if thats all that matters to you, then add 40 dollars for a couple pulls on a dyno day.
intercooler isn't necessary for a modest 400whp when running E85. the ethanol does all the cooling and more then the intercooler will. would i road race without an aftermarket intercooler? yeah actually... we do on joshs TTA-X. granted it only makes 350-360whp on stock turbo, it still has a stock intercooler.
the trans cooler also isn't needed to make the power, however, it certainly would be required to track it with 400whp. (heck, even stock cars can overheat the tranny when tracked hard). if i were tracking this car i would add this item, its 550 + install
cams definately aren't needed, nor would i even recommend it for a basic bolt on car shooting for that target. if your pulling things apart like the valve cover, etc... then sure it wouldn't hurt to drop in some better valve springs and cams, but certainly not needed for 400whp.
if this were a track car though, i would be adding our surge tank instead of the drop in walbro 255. surge tank = 700 + 100 for install instead of the 250 on the list. this isn't needed to make 400 if all we are looking at is dyno numbers.
i would consider this a safe and streetable MR, and it didn't cost 10-15k. even with an IC, surge tank, and trans cooler, it still isn't 10k.
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From: Allen
how to make 400whp for less then 5000 dollars.
FP red (used, currently can't buy new ones) = 1200
ETS catback exhaust (single exit) = 750
ETS downpipe = 500
EvoD test pipe = 200
FIC1100 cc injectors = 500
walbro 255 + install kit = 200
grimmspeed 3 port = 110
ETS intake = 270
ETS UICP = 240
turbo install = 450
exhaust install = 75
injector install = 40
fuel pump install = 50
Tune = 300
tank of E85 = 30
UICP + intake + 3port install = 75
total: 4990
dyno time isn't necessary to tune a car. but if thats all that matters to you, then add 40 dollars for a couple pulls on a dyno day.
intercooler isn't necessary for a modest 400whp when running E85. the ethanol does all the cooling and more then the intercooler will. would i road race without an aftermarket intercooler? yeah actually... we do on joshs TTA-X. granted it only makes 350-360whp on stock turbo, it still has a stock intercooler.
the trans cooler also isn't needed to make the power, however, it certainly would be required to track it with 400whp. (heck, even stock cars can overheat the tranny when tracked hard). if i were tracking this car i would add this item, its 550 + install
cams definately aren't needed, nor would i even recommend it for a basic bolt on car shooting for that target. if your pulling things apart like the valve cover, etc... then sure it wouldn't hurt to drop in some better valve springs and cams, but certainly not needed for 400whp.
if this were a track car though, i would be adding our surge tank instead of the drop in walbro 255. surge tank = 700 + 100 for install instead of the 250 on the list. this isn't needed to make 400 if all we are looking at is dyno numbers.
i would consider this a safe and streetable MR, and it didn't cost 10-15k. even with an IC, surge tank, and trans cooler, it still isn't 10k.
FP red (used, currently can't buy new ones) = 1200
ETS catback exhaust (single exit) = 750
ETS downpipe = 500
EvoD test pipe = 200
FIC1100 cc injectors = 500
walbro 255 + install kit = 200
grimmspeed 3 port = 110
ETS intake = 270
ETS UICP = 240
turbo install = 450
exhaust install = 75
injector install = 40
fuel pump install = 50
Tune = 300
tank of E85 = 30
UICP + intake + 3port install = 75
total: 4990
dyno time isn't necessary to tune a car. but if thats all that matters to you, then add 40 dollars for a couple pulls on a dyno day.
intercooler isn't necessary for a modest 400whp when running E85. the ethanol does all the cooling and more then the intercooler will. would i road race without an aftermarket intercooler? yeah actually... we do on joshs TTA-X. granted it only makes 350-360whp on stock turbo, it still has a stock intercooler.
the trans cooler also isn't needed to make the power, however, it certainly would be required to track it with 400whp. (heck, even stock cars can overheat the tranny when tracked hard). if i were tracking this car i would add this item, its 550 + install
cams definately aren't needed, nor would i even recommend it for a basic bolt on car shooting for that target. if your pulling things apart like the valve cover, etc... then sure it wouldn't hurt to drop in some better valve springs and cams, but certainly not needed for 400whp.
if this were a track car though, i would be adding our surge tank instead of the drop in walbro 255. surge tank = 700 + 100 for install instead of the 250 on the list. this isn't needed to make 400 if all we are looking at is dyno numbers.
i would consider this a safe and streetable MR, and it didn't cost 10-15k. even with an IC, surge tank, and trans cooler, it still isn't 10k.
I should have been more clear. He has a MR not a GSR. Also he doesn't have access to e85 only pump.
But I know you were generalizing to my post. My bad.
There are obviously many ways to do a build, and many parts/components that are considered optional which some people will opt for while others will not. Really, it just comes down to personal and/or shop preference.
Last edited by Kracka; Oct 11, 2011 at 10:41 AM.
Tom wins for earlier comment
@ T6 - I took your advise and decided to check other locations for MR's. Off topic, I'm stunned at how blackmon's MR got 380whp no problem with TBE, fuel injections and a pump upgrade + tune, where as lots of other cars had to have to change everything from the cat litter to Nebraska just to barely tap that amount. Is Cobb's quad tip really that good???
Anyways back on topic, I saw some people selling X MR's for a little under $30k with less that 25k miles, I'd be stupid not to investigate that a little bit more. After I see what my budget is going to look like for the year, I'm definitely going to decide weather new or used is the best route to go. I'd like Blackmon's old MR, but I'd have to get one hell of a deal on it if I can just buy slighly modded ones with way way way less miles on it.
@ T6 - I took your advise and decided to check other locations for MR's. Off topic, I'm stunned at how blackmon's MR got 380whp no problem with TBE, fuel injections and a pump upgrade + tune, where as lots of other cars had to have to change everything from the cat litter to Nebraska just to barely tap that amount. Is Cobb's quad tip really that good???
Anyways back on topic, I saw some people selling X MR's for a little under $30k with less that 25k miles, I'd be stupid not to investigate that a little bit more. After I see what my budget is going to look like for the year, I'm definitely going to decide weather new or used is the best route to go. I'd like Blackmon's old MR, but I'd have to get one hell of a deal on it if I can just buy slighly modded ones with way way way less miles on it.
