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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 09:21 AM
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It doesn't have a front LSD but that's an easy fix. It's like the 2003 Evo really.
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 11:26 AM
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If your compaing STI's to EVO's, the STi is more reliable, take more effort to break it. However the EVO take mods very well and you can make more power, cheaper, on a EVO.

The Ralliart is brand new so we wont know how its going to hold up.

The WRX's always had problems with the transmission gears breaking when the car was moddified and put more power through the gears. STI doesnt have that problem.

Evos had differential problems, Subarus dont.

Evo's 6 speed MR tranny is weak, while the 5 speed is bullet proof

Subaru its the opposite, the STI 6 speed is bullet proof, and the 5 speed is weak when more than stock power is put through it. However the 2009 WRX will have the tranny from the Legacy GT so it will be able to take more power. It was the 2002-2005 WRX's that had the most problems.

Its all how you treat the car.
i do highly disagree with the reliability the STi over the Evo.
Specially when it gets modified.
But i'm 100 % with you on that:
" its all how you treat the car"

i had 3 evos never had a problem. Sorry once, i had to replace the front rotors and a usual syncro on the VIII .
Now i had MANY STI and WRX friend they have just as many problem then the EVo. Just different area or parts.
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
It doesn't have a front LSD but that's an easy fix. It's like the 2003 Evo really.
I see. It also has a vicious coupling center differential too, correct? The 2003 Evo VIII handled nicely with it's simple system.
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
Except that it doesn't. In some reviews the STI is faster, hell according to Top Gear, the STI is faster, same with Fifth Gear. For a while, the STI was the chosen vehicle for a lot of reviewers, while they agreed that the evo was more hardcore, they still preferred the STI.
they also all agree that the STi is the Lord, Sultan, Almighty Lord, God, and Master of understeer. the EVO handles better, and is usually faster. the 08's are a different story. but even still, it's never really been a blow out either way. they are always very close. the EVO usually edges the STi out though. they have two different styles. the EVO is more precise, like a scalple....the STi is like a hacksaw. i'll take the EVO anyday. pre-08, EVO won hands down. 07 STi vs EVO IX...EVO IX wins.

as for the ralliart/WRX battle, it's never been a contest, and with the recent power bump for the WRX, it still won't stock for stock. who knows once people start modding this thing though. if it responds anything like the EVO X motor, then the WRX is in trouble
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by VincentX
I see. It also has a vicious coupling center differential too, correct? The 2003 Evo VIII handled nicely with it's simple system.
Yep.
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 03:59 PM
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they also all agree that the STi is the Lord, Sultan, Almighty Lord, God, and Master of understeer. the EVO handles better, and is usually faster. the 08's are a different story. but even still, it's never really been a blow out either way. they are always very close. the EVO usually edges the STi out though. they have two different styles. the EVO is more precise, like a scalple....the STi is like a hacksaw. i'll take the EVO anyday. pre-08, EVO won hands down. 07 STi vs EVO IX...EVO IX wins.

as for the ralliart/WRX battle, it's never been a contest, and with the recent power bump for the WRX, it still won't stock for stock. who knows once people start modding this thing though. if it responds anything like the EVO X motor, then the WRX is in trouble
No they don't, some simply state it's a matter of how you treat the car. If you try to drive an STI like an evo, it'll understeer.
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 04:49 PM
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So with minimal to no mods done, the Mitsu is more reliable, minus the unknown of the new SST? I know the running gear is Evo IX so plenty on use and abuse on those...right? I am thinking that the RA should be able to at least be upgraded near the level of the stock EVO MR as far as the tranny is concerned. Should it be relatively easy since the engine guts are basically the same?
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 05:36 PM
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No, with minimal mods, both cars will be equally reliable. Until you get into the territory of big big power (ie. 400+ HP), you won't notice a difference. Even after that, as long as you do it right, you'll be fine.
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
No they don't, some simply state it's a matter of how you treat the car. If you try to drive an STI like an evo, it'll understeer.
i agree with you totally. if you try to drive it like an EVO, fast, it'll understeer.
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ODUB
i agree with you totally. if you try to drive it like an EVO, fast, it'll understeer.
There are other ways to drive?
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Old Aug 23, 2008 | 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ODUB
i agree with you totally. if you try to drive it like an EVO, fast, it'll understeer.
Well considering the 08 STI is faster around the Top Gear track than the 08 Evo, that's clearly not the case.
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Old Aug 23, 2008 | 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by ambystom01
Well considering the 08 STI is faster around the Top Gear track than the 08 Evo, that's clearly not the case.
did you see that lap? it just plowed through the course face first lol it understeered just about the whole course, then it ended up being faster by what, like a couple hundreths of a second? yeah, big performance advantage lol the little bit that it won by isn't enough to declare the STi faster than the EVO. if the two cars ran more than one lap, with a margin of victory that close, who knows who would win? it's kinda like the NBA finals was. you might beat the celtics on any given night, but that doesn't mean you can beat'em in a best of 7 lol.

also, if you'd read my earlier post when you quoted it, i acknowledged that with the 08 models, the STi was faster in some tests. BUT nobody can deny that an 06 EVO IX will out pace an 06-07 STi, and look a lot better doing it. honestly though, it comes down to a matter of personal preference when you're talking about stock vehicles because their performance is so close from the factory. once you start modding though, EVO's take the lead again...that includes the 08 models. stock for stock the STi may be a little faster, but mod for mod, i'll take the EVO X.

it remains to be seen if the same can be said for the ralliart/wrx battle. stock for stock the WRX has it beat, but if the only thing missing from the ralliarts motor is the X turbo and cams, once you start modding, that thing should be a monster. then the WRX will be in trouble. the Ralliart has a better AWD system because everybody knows the AWD system from the IX was far superior to the regular WRX. all it needs is a decent set of tires, and more power. mod for mod it'll be intersting to see what the ralliart can do.

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Old Aug 23, 2008 | 07:26 AM
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It already has the cams. Turbo, intake and piping diameter are the only motor differences other than tune.
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Old Aug 23, 2008 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by dboz
It already has the cams. Turbo, intake and piping diameter are the only motor differences other than tune.
well hell, even better lol
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Old Aug 23, 2008 | 07:38 AM
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Many top level tuners actually think of S-AYC as a hindrance and I still don't know why. Can somebody shed some light on this?
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