ok the evo and sti are always in .1 seconds within each other. one isnt faster than the other. its to damn close.

 

We'll see if the '09 WRX will handle better than the '09 Ralliart. Just so it's tested and proven and everyone can sleep at night...

Subaru hasn't gotten too crazy with electronic devices as an integral part of the AWD system. It is simple, so that rally drivers can set up and race without sanctions and complications. That is why Mitsu had to pull out of the WRC and start from scratch with the Lancer monster rally car that Gigi Galli drove a couple years ago (WRC banned electronic diffs). To say that Subaru's AWD is sub-par is contrary to what an entire generation of RACERS (not bench racers or internet typemasters) have gone out there and PROVEN. Hondas SH-AWD is the laughing stock of Japanese AWD systems in JAPAN.

I own a Subaru. I've owned a Mitsu. I've owned Hondas. I've owned Toyota/VW/Chevy/Ford. I'm a fanboi for good, fun, value performance cars you can modify. The Subaru is a good car. I'm hoping the Ralliart sportback will be a good car, because that's what I'm getting next...

AND I COULD CARE LESS IF THE '09 WRX BEATS THE HELL OUT OF THE RALLIART ON THE TRACK STOCK FOR STOCK IN SOME STUPID RAG...because MY Ralliart will not be stock for very long...

 

::cough:: bull**** ::cough:: and we won't know the true measure of the ralliarts handling capability by the magazine tests because it'll be tested with it's ****ty stock tires. they'll be measuring the stock tires inability to keep up with the car's suspension/chassis.

 

"Subaru hasn't gotten too crazy with electronic devices as an integral part of the AWD system. It is simple, so that rally drivers can set up and race without sanctions and complications. "

yes it is true , but the Mitsubishi drive train is more driver friendly and easier to adjust. So End of the day for a driver the Mitsubishi AWD system set up is mor simple and easier to adjust your needs.
So i have to disagree with you. For the driver the Mitsubishi system is much more
"simple, so that rally drivers can set up and race without sanctions and complications. "

 

if the EVO IX was able to easily out handle the WRX (it out handled the STi too)... why wouldn't the ralliart, which has a stiffer chassis, and the same AWD system be able to do it? i know you're not going to try to tell me that a regular WRX could out handle an EVO IX...it couldn't even dispatch the FWD mazdaspeed3.

 

Weight.

 

that's an issue, but the EVO X doesn't seem to have any problems hanging with, and beating the new STi even with the added weight. that said, i think the handling of the ralliart will be as good or better than the WRX (tires being the same), but the WRX should still beat it around most road courses because of the extra power. i'd say mitsu has been dropping the ball lately with not giving their cars enough power to compete. the EVO should have come with 350hp, and the ralliart 280 or so, then they wouldn't have these problems.

 

Especially on the US versions.

 

I may seem biased because I'm the only one who isn't just blindly worshipping the evo. It's a great car but that doesn't mean others are inferior or any less great.

 

I'm sorry but the basis for this argument is ridiculous. You can't sit there and call one car subpar while arguing that another car is great but simply ill-equipped from the factory. By that logic, the STI should be allowed to put on stickier tires or bigger sway bars to make up for its problems. We are talking stock for stock here and by that measure, the Ralliart has some serious problems. In one test, it was worse in a skid pad than the base GTS lancer.

 

How is the Evo's drivetrain easier to adjust than the Subaru's? They are virtually identical in that regard.

 

You could make an argument by the great lengths you take to defend the WRX and STI that you are blindly worshiping the Subarus and are no better than posters on ......omg an EVO forum.

 

The Evo X has S-AYC, a stiffer suspension, wider tires, a different steering rack and other things that make it handle so well. Considering that the Ralliart can't run anything above a 235 series tire (since it uses the same body as the GTS), it can't possibly hit the same handling numbers as the Evo X.

 

Except that I defend the evo regularly, hell I even suggested someone get an Evo IX over a 2008 STI in a recent thread. Moreover, defending a car does not make you a fanboy, blindly dismissing all other cars makes you a fanboy. As I said before, I like both cars, I just find it ridiculous when people act as if the STI is some lumbering beast that can barely beat a Neon.

 

all i said was tires. put equal size/compound tires on the cars and see where they stand. i didn't say add sways and all that crap. as for the test, you said it right ONE TEST. that doesn't mean the car can't handle, it just means the test was flawed. i've seen tests where the best 0-60 and 1/4 mile times some magazine idiots could pull in an 06 EVO IX MR, and 06 STi were mid to high 5's 0-60, and high 13's for the EVO, low 14's for the STi in the 1/4 mile, and that was only after they disabled the EVO's stock 2 step. that doesn't mean these cars are slow, it just means that the people testing them are idiots. both cars are capable of low 13's (STi) and high 12's (EVO IX) right off the showroom floor.

i don't see anything wrong with changing the tires on the two cars for an equal test of handling. that's not changing anything to do with the car's suspension design, stiffness, or geometry. when testing bikes, they do it all the time. it only makes sense to test cars with equal tires. otherwise you're not testing the car...you're testing the tires. please try and argue that point lol