also the question originally was the respond on mods , not what the engine can handle. Dont twist it.

Also, you are for me a same person, then me for you. So i do believe only for those, who can back it up they words.

 

I know and according to both AMS and Buschur the WRX/STI responds very well to mods. It was you who brought up the issue of how much HP it can handle which is really more of a pissing contest than anything else since while a motor may be able to make 500 whp without internals, it won't last. I don't know of any Evos that are making that kind of power without internal work.
As for the last part, I have no idea what you are trying to say. I assume it is something to do with my comment regarding trusting AMS more than you and frankly I don't care, if you choose not to trust some of the biggest evo tuners in America because you don't like what they say about "the enemy", there's nothing I can do to bring you away from the fanboy party.

 

Would you rather have a Mitsubishi fanboy as a mod? As you'll soon see, most mods don't actually drive the car for which the forum was created. NASIOC is the same way, a lot of the mods over there drive something other than a Subaru. Moreover, how am I a fanboy? Am I declaring the Subaru superior? Nope, I'm simply not agreeing that the Mitsubishi is the end-all better vehicle. God forbid someone doesn't bow down to a 30K$ souped up econobox.
Not everyone wants the features that come with the Ralliart. This has come up before, some people simply prefer a traditional manual and quite a few people are refusing to buy a Ralliart until one is offered. It's also not hard to swap out differentials, I would suspect that you could swap in the STI transmission and drivetrain. Will this cost quite a bit of money? Sure but most people won't need to do so anyways. All the recent reports applaude the WRX and find it to be quite the performer.
Unless you are the laziest person in the world, having to use the clutch isn't a big deal. For god's sake, my Grandma drove stick well into her 60s and 70s.

 

Fact according to whom? I love how you keep on saying "fact" yet you don't back it up or you go against provided data.

 

99% of people will never get anywhere near 500 whp. A 500 whp car is insane, you're essentially doubling the horsepower on an already potent vehicle. You're also naive if you think you can run that kind of power with other modifications (like engine or head internals, tranny work, etc). I don't see how the 500 whp capability is relevant anyways as you yourself have said it is not and it has nothing to do with how the cars compare in more practical applications.

 

Fact: You are a subaru fanboy who selectively disects other people's posts, and makes assumptions, and claims based on your own missinformed view of what was said.

i never said to change anything on the cars. i said put them on the same tires. PERIOD. slap 225/40/18 direzza Z1 star specs on them, then test the handling. PERIOD. that's all i said. how is that NOT a fair comparison? that gives them a level playing field. also, those tests i sighted as being flawed OBVIOUSLY WERE!!!! what EVO IX do you know actually runs 14's because the car is slow? NONE. if you're running 14's in any EVO, it's because you can't drive. PERIOD. i'm starting to wonder how you became a mod here myself.

the ralliart's AWD system is superior to the WRX's. that's a fact. i don't see how you can even begin to argue that. if you do, then you're saying that the downgraded system the WRX uses is a better setup than the EVO IX...huh? just give it up already.

 

Hey Ambystom, why do you have to destroy every thread with your fickle whining and pointless arguing. Forum's are for spirited conversation, but dissecting EVERY person's post by the word is entirely excessive and counter productive.

Every other time I check this thing its one of your damn whiny post's that are not providing anything new or valuable, but are merely countering another's statement's.

Not to mention that you are a notorious fence rider, how about you let your ocd compulsions take a rest for a few day's and let people make a few statements without them having to make 5 subsequent posts, just to validate every word that they say!

 

Ot oh. Heh heh heh heh.

 

which has better fuel economy and it's better for daily driving? I'm sticking with the one having those.

can someone solve me that simple question without making much fuss?

Oh! I give a f*ck about snow, where im from that usually never happens.

thanks.

 

They will both equally suck on fuel economy because they're all-wheel-drive and turbo. The Ralliart is theoretically the better daily driver because it doesn't require you to worry about a clutch in heavy traffic. The Ralliart has the added bonus of generally being considered to be the more attractive of the two, but the WRX will be faster for at least the '09 product cycle.

 

when car mags test cars they use them how the average joe would get them from the dealer which included tyres. you say give the WRX and RA same tyres to make it a fair playing playing field, and then you say the RA's system is superior to the WRX's, well the WRX stock tyres are obviously superior to the RA's. so buy your logic we should remove 2 diffs from the RA AWD system to make it fair on the WRX, should we not?

also, everyone haveing a cry about amby, shut the hell up, he(or she?) is making valid points that should/need to be considered, the RA/evo/mitsubishi is not the greatest car in the world and never will be, sure they have good cars, but the WRX and STI are also good cars and are valid alternatives...

ps amby, ur making me seriously consider the WRX as my next car if RA doesnt offer clutched manual

 

"It was you who brought up the issue of how much HP it can handle which is really more of a pissing contest than anything else since while a motor may be able to make 500 whp without internals, it won't last."

how do YOU know that? Why implanting something for others is not proven?
ETC.

Who is the fanboy, when i stated between both cars at a same level of mods the driver will win . Mean time you telling me the X wont hold more power then the STI- the AMS 500 whp kit will not last long - the STI respond better for the mods- the STI AWD system is easier to set up and you want me to continue? And still you cant admit the STI engine will not hold 500 whp on stock internals...
So there is a loud and clear winner on respond for mods debate. Bolt ons vs bolt ons, without opening the engine the X is a winner, period.

If you are so negative and miss informed about mitsubisi , as a moderator why you going to argument , unless you are a fanboy and try to hold your ground no matter what?


And i'm saying these, without any bad feeling towards you. Just a simple question.

 

subaru forum:
as an example :
http://www.iwsti.com/forums/drivetra...d-correct.html

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1464280

there is a confusion . As long as you give % for the people to play with, you will get that. With the same " did i set it up right " feeling always
i dont know why hard to understand this? % is not idiot proof for sure..


vs the X plain and simple.
Tarmac - gravel - snow / i hope this is clear enough/
S-AWC: on- temporary off/ when you want to go out from deep snow etc/ - off. / hold the button down for 3 sec/

Need explanation, i hope the only S-awc which is: With or without making the turns with using the break controller.
On - off or for 3 sec hold down button completly off./ never comes back again, untill you turn it on.
So the S-AWC off : the car will not use the breaks to correct the car attitude in the turn , only power distribution.

I'm up for your facts too, since you didn't provide anything yet. To prove me the DCCD is a easier system to set it up.

 

wow, i didn't think the concept was so hard to understand. if you run the cars on equal tires, you're testing the handling of the cars, and not the limits of the tires. that's why motorcycle mags actually do this when testing bikes. i'm not the only one that thinks this would be a good idea when testing cars. no, you shouldn't remove diffs or anything else, that's just stupid. the more posts people make saying stuff like this, the dumber it makes you look. i love the "ah HA, i got you now" attitude people like you have when they post stuff like this though. it makes it that much funnier because you sound like an idiot lol. why is it such an impossible concept to grasp that you're testing the limit of the tires, and not the car if you test them on different tires? i explained this to my 10 year old cousin and he understood the principle...why can't you? lol

 

+1
i thought i was the only one that noticed the rampant fanboism present in his posts. good to know i'm not the only one that sees what's going on here.