updated wrx... what does this mean for the ralliart
Gotta love people accusing people of making up numbers like they know what they're talking about.
$26,940 Base MSRP
+$675 Destination
=$27,165
$27,165
+$2750 Recaro Sport Package
+$1999 Navigation Package
=$31,914
Stop talking ****. If you disagree, show me proof that I'm wrong. I already posted the whole options list, with pricing. What more do you need?
$26,940 Base MSRP
+$675 Destination
=$27,165
$27,165
+$2750 Recaro Sport Package
+$1999 Navigation Package
=$31,914
Stop talking ****. If you disagree, show me proof that I'm wrong. I already posted the whole options list, with pricing. What more do you need?
I never said anybody was going to actually pay MSRP for a loaded Ralliart (although I'm sure some people will). I was just pointing out that you didn't have a ****ing clue when you accused ralliarting of making things up.
Last edited by hibby; Aug 30, 2008 at 01:40 PM.
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The US dollar has dropped far more than 3-5% recently -- prices of materials have nothing to do with US car prices -- it's 100% momentum, and the only possible direction for prices is up (you know, barring prices in the rest of the world falling by 30-50%, or more, if the US dollar continues its downward spiral over the next few years).
???????? This makes no sense. If you think the price of a car is impacted only by the value of a dollar you are wacko. All the value of the dollar impacts are exchange rates and inflation. Actual material costs have a direct impact on price. Hence, you don't see a Porsche or Aston Martin interior in a Mitsubishi or Chevy.
The US dollar has dropped far more than 3-5% recently -- prices of materials have nothing to do with US car prices -- it's 100% momentum, and the only possible direction for prices is up (you know, barring prices in the rest of the world falling by 30-50%, or more, if the US dollar continues its downward spiral over the next few years).
Why would the price of a car go down anyways if the dollar goes down? Don't forget that most manufacturers have a fairly healthy buffer zone when it comes to prices. If they increased relative to actual costs, they'd have a hell of a time selling cars.
Exactly, why do you think most cars cost upwards of 30k. That is partly why sales are going down since leasing is drying up with poor bank situations.
Of course, morons like me who pre-ordered the Ralliart half a year ago will probably generate a small period of MSRP-level sales before the price drops 3-5%. Not that I have any regrets... 3-5% isn't enough to make me wish I'd have waited, and I'm getting the Ralliart in orange, which isn't likely to be something you'll find sitting on the lot (just too difficult to sell relative to black or white, or even blue).
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???????? This makes no sense. If you think the price of a car is impacted only by the value of a dollar you are wacko. All the value of the dollar impacts are exchange rates and inflation. Actual material costs have a direct impact on price. Hence, you don't see a Porsche or Aston Martin interior in a Mitsubishi or Chevy.
Yes, because Japan is part of the US, so why would exchange rates matter... did you bother to think before you wrote that, or do you actually believe that Japan does business mostly in US dollars?
[last I checked, core Ralliart parts are largely priced in Yen and Euros... and it's the Euro that really drives up costs relative to the sad US dollar]
???????? This makes no sense. If you think the price of a car is impacted only by the value of a dollar you are wacko. All the value of the dollar impacts are exchange rates and inflation. Actual material costs have a direct impact on price. Hence, you don't see a Porsche or Aston Martin interior in a Mitsubishi or Chevy.
[last I checked, core Ralliart parts are largely priced in Yen and Euros... and it's the Euro that really drives up costs relative to the sad US dollar]
Most manufacturers offset low US prices by raising prices in nations where customers have fewer choices, or where brand loyalty is stronger. If Mitsubishi raised prices in their tiny share of the US market, it would kill their brand there. I think you're right, but what's likely going to happen in the US will start with fringe manufacturers closing up shop (not enough profit to stick with the US), followed by a sharp rise in prices for those who remain. It's almost inevitable, as it's very likely that the US dollar will continue to decline in the coming years, due to the teetering economy and staggering national debt.


