updated wrx... what does this mean for the ralliart
The Cobalt, MS3 and the SI are FWD, yes they perform better out of the box (at least the MS3 and Cobalt do) but they're ultimately limited by their drivetrain arrangement. They're also less practical for someone who lives in a variable climate since they'll only perform properly for 6 months of the year.
Something I find rather curious is what kind of buyers are interested in the Ralliart. I'm not seeing the hardcore racers or the tuners but people who just want a daily driver.
Something I find rather curious is what kind of buyers are interested in the Ralliart. I'm not seeing the hardcore racers or the tuners but people who just want a daily driver.
That is my point. They are making a good useable car that is still performance oriented but practical. While the need for a manual may appeal to the tuner guys, most people don't look to go ***** out on the drive to work. That is also why I said the RA is on the top of my list. AWD with SST. Covers all my bases.
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For people who say they can't see their own car, hence looks is on the last of the list. Functionality over looks ya?? But the truth is, people will and only get to see the exterior.
Did anyone realized that we human tend to look and admire our own car whenever we drive pass a reflective shop front and etc??
So....looks ain't important?? Get real, pls
Did anyone realized that we human tend to look and admire our own car whenever we drive pass a reflective shop front and etc??
So....looks ain't important?? Get real, pls
I am living this mistake now. I have a RIDGELINE. Bought it based on price and performance over looks. WHen they first came out you could get a 32k truck for $280 a month nothing down. It was too cheap to pass up. So I gave in on looks. Great from the drivers seat, but the ugliest truck on the road. Can't wait to get rid of it even though the performance is there.
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For people who say they can't see their own car, hence looks is on the last of the list. Functionality over looks ya?? But the truth is, people will and only get to see the exterior.
Did anyone realized that we human tend to look and admire our own car whenever we drive pass a reflective shop front and etc??
So....looks ain't important?? Get real, pls
Did anyone realized that we human tend to look and admire our own car whenever we drive pass a reflective shop front and etc??
So....looks ain't important?? Get real, pls
As someone else said above I think the RA with the TC-SST is appealing to more of the non-tuner crowd (For me, I need a reliable car that is easy to drive in traffic but will give me excitment when needed). I used to modify my cars but life is taking me in a different direction (One day with enough money I hope to return to the fold). Hopefully the rumors are true and the RA will be offered in an MT, then we will really see the tuners come in. Even with the refresh of the WRX I think both cars will still be highly competitive (unless the 09 WRX for some reason becomes a beast but I don't see that because it will steal STI sales).
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For people who say they can't see their own car, hence looks is on the last of the list. Functionality over looks ya?? But the truth is, people will and only get to see the exterior.
Did anyone realized that we human tend to look and admire our own car whenever we drive pass a reflective shop front and etc??
So....looks ain't important?? Get real, pls
Did anyone realized that we human tend to look and admire our own car whenever we drive pass a reflective shop front and etc??
So....looks ain't important?? Get real, pls
For people who say they can't see their own car, hence looks is on the last of the list. Functionality over looks ya?? But the truth is, people will and only get to see the exterior.
Did anyone realized that we human tend to look and admire our own car whenever we drive pass a reflective shop front and etc??
So....looks ain't important?? Get real, pls
Did anyone realized that we human tend to look and admire our own car whenever we drive pass a reflective shop front and etc??
So....looks ain't important?? Get real, pls
I don't look at my car when I pass reflective surfaces because I don't care what it looks like or at least I don't care what other people think of it. Do I like the way my car looks? Sure but I don't think it's the prettiest car out there anymore than I think the evo (past or present) is a good looking car, it's purely attractive in the functional way.
Don't know if any of these will make it here, but check this.
http://jalopnik.com/399071/subaru-sh...ish-motor-show
http://jalopnik.com/399071/subaru-sh...ish-motor-show
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About looks,
I am living in this place right now, I have an 08 Lancer, it looks very good and sexy, attracts a lot of positive attention from a lot of people... then I get passed by an 05 WRX... Every car has it's own type of beauty, sure, my Lancer looks great, but there isn't anything as the beautiful sound of a blowoff valve. I should have ignored my family and listened to my inner tuner... that way, I'd have at least an old Evo or WRX, instead of trying to desperately looking for a cheap tuner car.
I am living in this place right now, I have an 08 Lancer, it looks very good and sexy, attracts a lot of positive attention from a lot of people... then I get passed by an 05 WRX... Every car has it's own type of beauty, sure, my Lancer looks great, but there isn't anything as the beautiful sound of a blowoff valve. I should have ignored my family and listened to my inner tuner... that way, I'd have at least an old Evo or WRX, instead of trying to desperately looking for a cheap tuner car.
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I think it will benefit both cars. I'll more than likely test both the wrx and ralliart as well as the gencoupe and camaro. If the increase in power is true, I think mitsu will have to bump up the power in the 2nd year and offer a manual. I would like to see some pics of the sedan wrx with the upgrades. One thing that may hurt the rex is sticking with the 5-speed and still limited to only 130 mph? Must be a speed limiter. My lowly spec-v with roughly 185hp can hit the high 130's and has a 6-speed. I know top speed isn't used very often (I think I only tried it once or twice), but would like to know its there.
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From my experience, mazdaforums -subforum mazdaspeed 3 is one with the highest level of maturity-.
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A few points,
1. for every Subaru fanboy on NASIOC, there is a Mitsubishi fanboy here, a Honda fanboy on Hondatech, etc., there are fanboys everywhere and some of the things people have said here about the WRX/STI is just as ignorant/naive/stupid as what people on NASIOC say about the Ralliart/Evo.
2. Considering that the 08 WRX was competing directly with the Ralliart, it's probably safe to say that if the upgrades are true, the WRX will outperform it. It already puts down the same performance numbers so with an extra 40 HP and better suspension (and maybe better tires), it should logically be faster since it weighs less.
3. Based on logs performed by a lot of people, all that will be necessary to get that 40 HP is a better tune and maybe changes to the exhaust or intake system. It's not going to require a massive amount of work nor will it make the car peaky and unusable. Drive a stage 2 WRX and see how it performs, I expect that the 09 will be similar.
4. Yes the WRX is not pretty, but it never has been and the evo never has been. No one will say they are good looking cars on par with a corvette, a ferrari, a porsche, etc., but that's not what they were made for and that's not why they have the reputation that they have. I would rather drive an unattractive car that can go like stick than look good but be passed by every mini van out there. Looks are always going to be subjective, performance numbers win arguments. Someone can tell me my car is ugly but if I can beat them in a race, I don't care.
1. for every Subaru fanboy on NASIOC, there is a Mitsubishi fanboy here, a Honda fanboy on Hondatech, etc., there are fanboys everywhere and some of the things people have said here about the WRX/STI is just as ignorant/naive/stupid as what people on NASIOC say about the Ralliart/Evo.
2. Considering that the 08 WRX was competing directly with the Ralliart, it's probably safe to say that if the upgrades are true, the WRX will outperform it. It already puts down the same performance numbers so with an extra 40 HP and better suspension (and maybe better tires), it should logically be faster since it weighs less.
3. Based on logs performed by a lot of people, all that will be necessary to get that 40 HP is a better tune and maybe changes to the exhaust or intake system. It's not going to require a massive amount of work nor will it make the car peaky and unusable. Drive a stage 2 WRX and see how it performs, I expect that the 09 will be similar.
4. Yes the WRX is not pretty, but it never has been and the evo never has been. No one will say they are good looking cars on par with a corvette, a ferrari, a porsche, etc., but that's not what they were made for and that's not why they have the reputation that they have. I would rather drive an unattractive car that can go like stick than look good but be passed by every mini van out there. Looks are always going to be subjective, performance numbers win arguments. Someone can tell me my car is ugly but if I can beat them in a race, I don't care.
Remember, how the hell are u gonna compare a mitsu or a subaru against a ferrari, etc? Who does that anyway.... point is u compare a wrx against their competitors, and one of them is the ralliart, and well, seems that the major consense (even among magazine reviews) is that the ralliart wins hands down that department (looks).
I wont say anything regardless your taste about driving ugly cars albeit faster cause all of that is your personal taste.
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The major thing the mazda has going against it is the lack of AWD, not a lot of people want a high horsepower FWD that either A. spins its tires, B. understeers like a pig, C. has a system that drops the power to avoid slippage (like the MS3 does) or D. all of the above.
I´ll take D by the way.