Originally Posted by Eternal_Ronin

So, seeing how AWD vehicles are being popular now (Hell, even the MATRIX is AWD now)... it's the next obvious step for the MS3... and I would say that Mazda needs to make it a bit more aggressive looking... it just looks WAY to dull for me...

Originally Posted by 100$ GUY

Partner, yes , the wrx is not pretty at all, in fact, is so darn fugly bland and generic looking (wonder why they have to upgrade the looks of it......)
Remember, how the hell are u gonna compare a mitsu or a subaru against a ferrari, etc? Who does that anyway.... point is u compare a wrx against their competitors, and one of them is the ralliart, and well, seems that the major consense (even among magazine reviews) is that the ralliart wins hands down that department (looks).
I wont say anything regardless your taste about driving ugly cars albeit faster cause all of that is your personal taste.

Originally Posted by WoRkZ

Well, I was only saying people generally tend to think the RalliArt is a nicer looking car... not an overall better car. But since you mention it, most journalists tend to think it is a better car to. And that might explain why Subaru is thinking of upgrading their car already. The power of the press is a powerful motivator...

And as far as sales go, it's not a question of who has the better car in their lineup but rather, as you pointed out yourself, more a question of brand recognition. Subaru is an established brand and outsells Mitsubishi by a large margin. And that is why Mitsubishi always MUST have a better overall car to sell... just to hope to sell some of them, as people would tend to simply overlook them. This might not be such an important factor in the US... but where I'm from, people don't tend to have a look at Mitsubishi's products until I actually remind them of the existence of the brand. Sad but true...

Anyway, let's see what the future holds for the 2nd gen. RA... I just hope it sells well enough that Mitsubishi is tempted to continue improving it. After all, it's quite a good base upon which to build.

Originally Posted by chewy8

yeah i rarely see the new impreza and it is usually a mid aged/old person and i have yet to see a new wrx or sti.

Originally Posted by ambystom01

Lol, not if dealers keep on charging 10% over MSRP.

Originally Posted by VincentX

You can't even see the whole outside of the car when you're driving it. Most of the time while I'm around my car I'm inside it, so most of the time I don't even see how it looks. Looks don't matter that much to me.

Originally Posted by 100$ GUY

That is happening?

Originally Posted by Mrbobcat

I think it will benefit both cars. I'll more than likely test both the wrx and ralliart as well as the gencoupe and camaro. If the increase in power is true, I think mitsu will have to bump up the power in the 2nd year and offer a manual. I would like to see some pics of the sedan wrx with the upgrades. One thing that may hurt the rex is sticking with the 5-speed and still limited to only 130 mph? Must be a speed limiter. My lowly spec-v with roughly 185hp can hit the high 130's and has a 6-speed. I know top speed isn't used very often (I think I only tried it once or twice), but would like to know its there.

Originally Posted by ambystom01

Something to keep in mind is we're on a Mitsubishi forum, people will naturally provide links to sites that like the Ralliart or evo. I would rather spend the money on a fast car and then upgrade the looks than spend money on a good looking car and then try to upgrade the engine.

Originally Posted by ambystom01

Sure is, dealerships here even require a 5000$ deposit just to test drive the car.
As for the comment about hard plastics, it's not like the interior of the Lancer is miles ahead of the Impreza, in fact most reviewers rank the Impreza ahead of the Lancer in that respect.

Originally Posted by 100$ GUY

So u definitely care about interior design and hard plastics, etc?

Originally Posted by VincentX

I don't really care how it looks in the inside also. As long as everything is not falling off and rattling I'm fine. I'm mainly paying attention to the road in front of me anyway. I will be content with an interior akin to the Lotus Elise's interior. I don't care for any extraneous luxury features shiny stuff and expensive materials other than a comfortable seat that keeps me in place, air conditioning and heater, a radio with speakers better than my Civic that I'm currently driving, and cruise control.

Originally Posted by 100$ GUY

Oh no amby, dont go there, cause I wasnt talking about it.
My point was.... if he says he doesnt care that much about the exterior of the car cause most of the time he is inside the car, then he probably has to care a lot more about the interior design , materials...etc.

By the way, thats insane, charge money first and then so much money to just TEST DRIVE a car?
If they are doing this, hopefully just a few dealers are doing it..... mean, dont think thats a corporate policy right?!

Originally Posted by 100$ GUY

Yeah I know amby, this is a mitsu forum I´ve check out the reviews of my own , I mean, doing research by myself, so I´m not biased (at least not that much haha) cause I like to know and read plenty of reviews.
Anyway, since u probably hang around subaru forums, could u post links that dislike the ralliart and likes most the impreza wrx.....?? In general or maybe specific when it comes to looks...