TTP's results are in this thread. XS Engineering had the first one (dyno showing 222 whp for the RA) that was heavily disputed much in the same way TTP's results are. A third was posted a few weeks ago and is somewhere in this forum but I dont remember the guy's name.

 

What I've been saying is that if you compare the base dyno for the X GSR to the base dyno for the Ralliart, something doesn't make sense. The Ralliart is listed as a 237 HP and 253 ft-lbs of torque car by Mitsubishi, yet it makes 220 WHP and 242 WTQ. The X GSR makes 252 WHP and 256 WTQ while being a claimed 291 HP and 300 ft-lbs of torque car. Look at the torque numbers, they differ by only 14 yet if you look at the claimed numbers, they differ by 47. This has lead to people claiming the car is underrated but this makes no sense either. How can a car that has almost Evo power levels (to the wheels nonetheless) produce performance numbers that aren't even close? Clearly the dynos are not very comparable.

 

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...hotopanel..1.*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98of6GaH1dk

OH NO AMBY THE WRX LOST TO THE RALLIART IN THIS ONE. You should really just stop taking yourself so seriously, and let people who like the Ralliart talk about the Ralliart. It may not be the very best car out there, but it is in its first year of production and it still does what 90% of people on here want it to be. A fun daily driver.

 

There is no such thing as a real dyno, people are clearly completely missing the point of a dyno, it is a tool. No one dyno is better than the other, it's all in how you use it.
I used TTP's own Evo dyno as a comparison to show that the dyno reads abnormally high (thus negating the idea that the Ralliart is underrated).

 

Amen! I've been absolutely loving my car since I bought it. I don't see how it's underpowered what-so-ever. I drove the MR, Ralliart & 09WRX before I made a choice. I still find the Ralliart very rewarding to drive everywhere and it feels really fast to me.

 

Notice how that's a 2008 WRX, not the current 2009 that is actually applicable. You might as well dig up the 2004 WRX and compare the Ralliart to it.

 

oh oke because i was looking up dyno numbers and i couldn't find. But i find these:
evo X SST
201 whp and 217 wtq
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=362767

buschur according to this
EVo X 220 whp
http://www.evoxforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7748

AMS dyno jet/no mustang dyno !/

Evo X
236 whp
236 whp and 256 wtq
http://www.importtuner.com/powerpage...nce/index.html
http://www.lancerregister.com/showth...hreadid=188311

and an other evo TTP 248 whp.
Evo X
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcVDQ_NQulc

the RA is a monster against all odds for sure. Like small turbo, smaller IC set up, Lot less Boost etc.

 

Wouldn't it be more beneficial to have numbers from both of the cars from the SAME dyno?

 

It sure would. I purposely used the TTP dyno but even then, they're hard to compare. This is what a lot of people don't seem to get.

 

That would be really nice to lay this debate to rest. lol

 

you got it. see above. with the gsr if i saw it right. Which are put more numbers down on dyno.
ALso on the side note the Dyno jet is put more numbers down then the Mustang. So that is why they call it a heart braker./mustang/

Not to mention the TTP if i'm right in the warmer side and more humid in the us then some above , like AMS. That is another big difference on numbers.

 

The sad part is it won't. I dynoed my lancer 2 years ago and it was being debated for months upon months (even got bumped recently) despite it simply supporting previously produced data.

 

let me point out something about dyno numbers.

Most people who actually get the point where he or she go for dyno tune, the car is modified.
Now when you modify the car you need performance, i think that is what we can agree on. How do you choose the Tuner? Most people by numbers, right?
SO here we go...
Now you go the tuner , tunes your car, and you got your numbers!!!! You are just as happy when you get a girl number , right? Even happier sometimes.

SO what a heck you talk about it, you might even go to the track.
There you talk even more,since you are surrounded by car nuts

Line up, happy smile on your face, you know you will be better since you got higher numbers etc. No way that guy will beat you with less numbers... Got the feeling?

Green light..........
all hell break loose , you got raped.

How? How? Why? WHY?

you want to know the truth? The numbers on dyno is not as important then you 1/4 mile time. And to make this argument short, you might have a same number or even more if your car not as strong as you opponent. Because one tuner dyno reads higher then other.
MANY times i find this proven sadly.

And because of many new guys here,i would like to point out this fact. I dont really like disappointed people , coming back like Mitsu sucks.


Rob.

 

Or you cant drive. Its not like the RA is getting spanked in the comparison tests any way, a lousy .3 of a second to 60 compared to the fugly WRX, whats that a not even a nose(you get a regular driver in the WRX lets face it race car drivers aint gonna drive that car the RA will beat it), I bet some wider tires would close that gap, the biggest thing thats holding the RA from getting past the compeitors is the weight and some other minor things like tire/wheel combo. I think it does rather well against its target competitor the WRX they are virtually identical for real world driving which matters the most anyway. The problem with these comparisons anyway(what I think) the testers thought the RA was gonna be just like the Evo so they are subjective especially in the Road and Track comparison, the real world driving isnt as bad as they make it out to be it never takes that long to pass someone, usually I like Road and Track but they FU**** that comparison.

 

im talking about equal drivers same cars. I thought that is clear.
You can listen and understand it or you can start argue:
oh he got better tires etc..
If you want to understand the point, you will. If you dont , you might will find out a hard way.
Wont matter for me.

Cheers Rob