You have three numbers, a minimum, a maximum and an average. On the dyno sheet present in this thread, it says maximum HP thus I compared maximum to maximum. If I compared the average for the Evo to the one value found here the Ralliart has more power than a stock Evo which we know to be wrong. No one is dissing the dyno or the results, we're just putting it into perspective before people start proclaiming that the Ralliart was underrated and actually has more power than an Evo stock.

 

Yeah stock Evos and STis make about 220 WHP around here on most "heartbreaker" dynos. We're amazed when people pass the 300 WHP mark and truly astonished when they break 400 WHP.

 

Correct.

 

Lol a 4 HP difference, now that that's cleared up I take back everything I said.

 

Your opinion. You cringe at the fact it could be underrated so you say otherwise. Three dynos have given all similiar numbers, yet they're all "high" reading. I'm willing to bet you're waiting for the lowest possible dyno numbers to agree with. The SST has been pushed past 330wtq which is more then AutoBlog's 330 crank tq as its limit, but i'm sure you still believe AutoBlog, right?

 

so are you saying ttp's dyno sheet is posting high numbers that are not accurate?

 

That's what he's saying. He'll agree with the boost number and every other parameter, but because the dyno number obtained doesn't follow his logic it's obviously high reading. In fact the higher boost reading actually works in his favor, that way he can tell everyone the car is almost completely maxed out. All dynos will be high reading until someone posts 170whp running on three cylinders, and the childish "I told ya so" stuff will pop up again.

 

so these 09 RA's really running 217WHP stock or what?

 

Well according to three different dynos, the 09 RA does seem to be around 220whp stock.

 

is that good or bad for stock? for these RA's

 

How can that be my opinion when there are clear facts? So if I say 2+2=4, that's just my opinion? If I say the sky is blue, that's just my opinion? Clearly the Ralliart is not underrated based on these results. You can argue that all you want but the facts suggest otherwise.
This is exactly why I absolutely hate dyno numbers, 99% of people can't read them worth a damn. I don't care about the number, I care about how it compares to other cars (ie. reference points). The Ralliart could dyno 140 WHP but if an Evo dynos 170 WHP, the Ralliart is pretty close to the stated value of 237 crank HP.
What does 330 WTQ mean in that context? You need a reference point. I don't see why this is a difficult concept.

 

No I'm saying that the numbers are simply high. Dynos are not accurate and inaccurate, they are simply a tool. The value is arbitrary, what's important is how it compares to the reference values.

 

well BR just got an 09RA , and started working on it, maybe we can also see there dyno sheets between the evox and the RA.

 

You clearly have no understanding of dynos. Again, how can the Ralliart be underrated when on this same dyno, an Evo produces 252 WHP? Does that mean the Evo is underrated too? Now then, I know this is going to be hard but let's use some logic. Yes, logic has no place on a car forum but let's try.

Ralliart
Crank HP 237
TTP WHP 220

TTP WHP/ Crank HP ratio- 0.928

Evo
Crank HP- 291
TTP WHP- 252

TTP WHP/Crank HP ratio- 0.865

If we make the false assumption that two cars will have identical powertrain loses despite having different powertrains, we can increase the Ralliart to 250 crank HP. However, this doesn't line up with the performance numbers. Moreover, that is bad logic.
Edit: Look at the WTQ numbers as well. Are we to believe that the Ralliart only has 14 less WTQ than the Evo (which is rated at 300 ft-lbs vs. 253 ft-lbs for the Ralliart)?

 

this statement proves you know very little about cars. you canot compare aples to oranges.

ps i know its spelt apples and

ps. apples and cannot