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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by codgi

Relatively conservative for 92 Octane and 23psi, here's mine:
Thanks codgi! I learned a lot from your tune. I'm using 91 Octane at 21psi. I used your tune as a guideline. It feels better and the map looks a lot smoother.
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by evoredy
The computer notices the pathetic timing advance at peak load even for 91 octane and thus advances you a few points out of sorrow more or less.

haha j/k. don't worry i've been ridiculed for posting my 'tuned' timing and fuel maps before.

Can you post the actual log file? That would help a lot more than the graph.
Here you go. I'm learning a lot. This is after I adjusted my timing. Much better!

At 3800 RPM and at 266 Load I'm at 4* on the log but 2* on my timing map. In reality I'm at the 240 Load and the timing is 4* at 240 even though my log says 266. Let me know if I have this right.
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 08:24 PM
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Here you go. I'm learning a lot. This is after I adjusted my timing. Much better!

At 3800 RPM and at 266 Load I'm at 4* on the log but 2* on my timing map. In reality I'm at the 240 Load and the timing is 4* at 240 even though my log says 266. Let me know if I have this right.
timing on the log looks ok but i would suggest smoothing the rest of the areas other than just the load your car is hitting in that one gear. There are no AFRs or boost in the log but judging by the load and airflow if you have no cams it looks like you are at ~24psi? tapering to ~20. No knock is good of course. Post up some boost and AFRs if possible.

Any details environmental conditions and was this on a level road?

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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 08:35 PM
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Hey looks pretty good at 5* peak and afterwards. During 3656-4500 there is some minor timing fluctuation and load drop (could be due to the late pull) but i'm sure the car feels much different.

It would be good to rescale your load to at least 280 or 300 and do some further smoothing. Make sure you align the fuel map too if you rescale.

It would be good to put the gas down at 2500 and get a broader pull while in third. 3500 RPM is a little late.

Maybe a more experienced tuner could chime in.
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by evoredy
Hey looks pretty good at 5* peak and afterwards. During 3656-4500 there is some minor timing fluctuation and load drop (could be due to the late pull) but i'm sure the car feels much different.

It would be good to rescale your load to at least 280 or 300 and do some further smoothing. Make sure you align the fuel map too if you rescale.

It would be good to put the gas down at 2500 and get a broader pull while in third. 3500 RPM is a little late.

Maybe a more experienced tuner could chime in.
Agreed... start pulls from 2500 and watch for tip in knock. You should hit full boost by 3500 so smooth the timing map like i said earlier
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RALLInspired
timing on the log looks ok but i would suggest smoothing the rest of the areas other than just the load your car is hitting in that one gear. There are no AFRs or boost in the log but judging by the load and airflow if you have no cams it looks like you are at ~24psi? tapering to ~20. No knock is good of course. Post up some boost and AFRs if possible.

Any details environmental conditions and was this on a level road?
Thanks for the advice. When I log shifting and normal driving I notice 1 or 2 knocks but no big deal.

My LC-1 stopped working (ordered new sensor) so I'll be able to log AFR's later and I just ordered an Omni Power 4 bar map sensor from Buschur to log boost.

I'm at high altitude here in Colorado and the weather is in the low 80's, no humidity (so dry), on a level road. I notice some knock (1-2 knocks) going uphill. That's my favorite time to pass and leave people in the dust .
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by evoredy
Hey looks pretty good at 5* peak and afterwards. During 3656-4500 there is some minor timing fluctuation and load drop (could be due to the late pull) but i'm sure the car feels much different.

It would be good to rescale your load to at least 280 or 300 and do some further smoothing. Make sure you align the fuel map too if you rescale.

It would be good to put the gas down at 2500 and get a broader pull while in third. 3500 RPM is a little late.

Maybe a more experienced tuner could chime in.
Thank you for the advice!!! I just rescaled following Ludikraut's https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ec...-viii-ecu.html

I can't believe how exciting this is This is addicting! Too bad school didn't make it this fun to learn.
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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 10:31 PM
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I suppose my timing maps is probably never going to be "fully tuned", but here is one from today.

Example pulls here: https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/ev...no-5500-a.html

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Old Sep 6, 2010 | 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Raptord
I don't see an option to log timingMap in my evoscan? Is it something we have to add it?
If it's not there, you can add it.

The MUT request id is 0x33 and the scaling is x-20. The unit is degrees, obviously. The value will be whatever is in the current cell in the timing table. You can use it to verify that it is looking up the value you think it is.

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Old Sep 7, 2010 | 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by donour
If it's not there, you can add it.

The MUT request id is 0x33 and the scaling is x-20. The unit is degrees, obviously. The value will be whatever is in the current cell in the timing table. You can use it to verify that it is looking up the value you think it is.

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Excellent, cheers!
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Old Sep 7, 2010 | 06:18 AM
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I don't know how useful that will be seeing as the ecu interpolates between neighboring cell values so much. Half the time the logged map value won't match. Granted, it will be in the ballpark.
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Old Sep 9, 2010 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by wizzo 8
Might be a stupid question but ill ask anyway. Not that you would do this but if you set both timing maps the same and experienced knock would the Ecu still pull timing?
and if you turn of in the periphery bit the "enable high octane igntion map lookup" than the car will run from the low octane map and can not pull the timing on knock ?
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Old Sep 9, 2010 | 05:51 PM
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does the periphery bit work like that confirmed?

if so, you could sort of use it like an altmap. Could be a useful tuning tool.
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Old Sep 9, 2010 | 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by merlin.oz
does the periphery bit work like that confirmed?

if so, you could sort of use it like an altmap. Could be a useful tuning tool.

That is what I'm curious about
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Old Oct 13, 2010 | 03:17 AM
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Hello,

what do you think my timing map ? Fuel : 100octane shell v power, Evo 8 forged 2.0 internal stock cr, 9 turbo, 3"tbe, 26psi 3250-6000rpm than tapper to 24psi 7000rpm. In load 3250-5500 280 load, 5500-6000 270load than tapper to 240 until 7000rpm.
I coudn't hear any knock by det can..

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