Pounding the White Rabbit
Originally Posted by GPTourer
Hopefully, it will do better on some other cars. Disapointing, but I can't say I am really suprised. Especially after Buschur gave up trying to make a 20G wheel work in the stock housing.
IMO, the bottom line is nobody can make a better TD05H turbo then Mitsubishi. The skill that the shops like FP and Buschur and so on have could porbably make slight improvements in one direction, but might lose something somewhere else. But in the end the cost is just way too high for the gains.
IMO, the bottom line is nobody can make a better TD05H turbo then Mitsubishi. The skill that the shops like FP and Buschur and so on have could porbably make slight improvements in one direction, but might lose something somewhere else. But in the end the cost is just way too high for the gains.
That will be corrected shortly....!
Otherwise they did a nice job on this turbo, for the street.
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From: 2003 Evo VIII - Silver
Originally Posted by Tym Switzer
Al... just curious... I was looking at this dyno sheet trying to discern a few things regarding the conditions of the pulls and whatnot. I didn't see the conditions listed, and I noticed by looking at the times of the pulls that the turbo swap must have been done in minutes. Then I looked at the date of each run. The resolution is poor, but it looks to me like your baseline of the Essex unit was done back in March. I don't know about the weather conditions where you are right now, but it's been over 90 degrees here a lot the last few weeks. I'm also wondering what other mods may have transpired with the car or if it has developed any mechanical issues in the last 4-5 months. I was hoping you could elaborate.
I haven't been able to read through all of the posted threads regarding this turbo this past week, so I am catching up while at home. Hope you have time to give a few more details regarding this test.
I haven't been able to read through all of the posted threads regarding this turbo this past week, so I am catching up while at home. Hope you have time to give a few more details regarding this test.
I do not think he changed anything since March other than the turbo
The Weather may have been different and that may have effected the results to some small degree.
The main point was that this customer has the $ to play about with turbos gave the WR a shot and in the end he seems to prefer his Essex ball bearing TME
I am sure that the WR would offer a significant improvment over a stock turbo at this high boost level - its a pleasant turbo and you can feel it pull harder up top. My only issue with it is that the gains seem modest compared to what my customers had previously expected.
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Originally Posted by 4G63>OOOO
Al, one question:
Does this car still have the 50 shot on it like it did in that 442tq dyno pull and when it ran the 11.8 last year?
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Does this car still have the 50 shot on it like it did in that 442tq dyno pull and when it ran the 11.8 last year?
Regards,
The dyno sheet posted about was on pump gas with NO nos - its 412 tq not 442
Also - when Paul did hit the NOS on the old turbo he hit over 500 tq !
And - he was running NOS last year when he went 11.8 and also yesterday when he went 12.2
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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu
Controlled testing? Come on now....
I prefer uncontrolled testing - with a dyno jet it is what it is - the sheet speaks for itself.
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
I don't consider any testing controlled unless I can find a suitable location to attach the air temp sensor.
I prefer uncontrolled testing - with a dyno jet it is what it is - the sheet speaks for itself.
I prefer uncontrolled testing - with a dyno jet it is what it is - the sheet speaks for itself.
And guys, I understand the dissapointment with some of the results yielded from the White Rabbit in comparison to the initial dyno sheets but do think, if this was another vendor's product my inbox would be overflowing with cries of "vendor bashing". I believe that FP is actually working on how to address the discrepancies found between the results of this turbo instead of cry about it. Also do remember that there are still different stages of the WR to come from what I understand.
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Originally Posted by Warrtalon
Sure...uh huh.
Nice 13s at 25psi, btw.
Nice 13s at 25psi, btw.
DID I FORGET TO TELL YOU THAT MY 1/4 MILE TIME WAS ON 91 OCTANE **** GAS!!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by housedj
since you like to run your mouth, come on out to phx & let's see what you REALLY run with an elevation here of 1320 ft, interior car temp averages of 143 F & track temps of over 160 degrees F!!! & those temps are at night BTW huh huh
DID I FORGET TO TELL YOU THAT MY 1/4 MILE TIME WAS ON 91 OCTANE **** GAS!!!!!!!!!!
DID I FORGET TO TELL YOU THAT MY 1/4 MILE TIME WAS ON 91 OCTANE **** GAS!!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by Warrtalon
So it wasn't on the 101 in your sig while running 25psi? No one is dumb enough to run 25psi in extreme heat on 91oct. Every other time we've talked about this, you claimed you were running 25psi with no problem. Care to fix your story? I'll be running at 5800 ft in a few months, but it won't be quite as hot.
Once again. OWNED. Sorry HouseDJ, But he got ya, again.
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Originally Posted by Precision Dyno
The only problem with the Mitsu turbo is the thrust surface...
That will be corrected shortly....!
Otherwise they did a nice job on this turbo, for the street.
That will be corrected shortly....!
Otherwise they did a nice job on this turbo, for the street.
Originally Posted by DynoFlash
Max boost with line to wastegate disconnected was 28 psi - max top boost.
The car actually lost power with the extra .5 psi of boost - lost 2 whp
It ran great on the road - fantastic - really nice. Someone comming from a stock turbo would feel a nice kick in the pants especially on the top end. BUT - it does loose out a lot of low end tq compared to the Essex TME unit.
The customer went 11.8 last year with the other turbo 0- he is going to the track tomorrow to test the WR and see how it does on the track.
The car actually lost power with the extra .5 psi of boost - lost 2 whp
It ran great on the road - fantastic - really nice. Someone comming from a stock turbo would feel a nice kick in the pants especially on the top end. BUT - it does loose out a lot of low end tq compared to the Essex TME unit.
The customer went 11.8 last year with the other turbo 0- he is going to the track tomorrow to test the WR and see how it does on the track.
What BOV is he using?
It doesnt list it in the mods section, but I am assuming it is not the stock BOV. If he doesnt run one of a few BOVs he will be leaking off most of the additional boost that the WR turbo can provide. That turbo should easily spike to over 30+ psi initially with no wastegate line.
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Maybe it's just me but wasn't the white rabbit tested on a car without cams? So far every WR thats been tested after(at least that I have see) has been on cars equiped WITH cams. Could that be the reason that this turbo is not performing as well as it did in Switzer's test?
Originally Posted by NYREDEVO
Maybe it's just me but wasn't the white rabbit tested on a car without cams? So far every WR thats been tested after(at least that I have see) has been on cars equiped WITH cams. Could that be the reason that this turbo is not performing as well as it did in Switzer's test?
On 91, he made more in the power band where you'd think he'd make more running the cams he is. His cam gears are set to 0,0.