Forced Performance Evo Red Turbo data
You guys need to look up "hypermiling" and see what is actually possible.
People getting 55+ mpg out of regular civics, 128+ mpg out of Insights, etc.
Just messing around the other day on my way home from visiting family, I actually got 29 mpg (28.6) out of my Evo X over a 110 mile drive. Unfortunately, I think that might be a near-record with these things.
People getting 55+ mpg out of regular civics, 128+ mpg out of Insights, etc.
Just messing around the other day on my way home from visiting family, I actually got 29 mpg (28.6) out of my Evo X over a 110 mile drive. Unfortunately, I think that might be a near-record with these things.
Who cares about MPG. I want to see a RED on 93 octane running 23-25psi with supporting mods.
That's what everyone is waiting for. Not bickering about MPG
And Robert, where's that 100 octane dyno chart?
GrocMax you are still the same as you were when the galant boards started, I love it!! I thought you dissappeared.. You taught me alot of what I know today and certainly helped me out alot back then..
and DSSA! WTF man show your face somewhere other then JNZ which I have never even been to in my life.
Back on topic I'd really like to see some customers that are not associated with FP put up some track times with openport tuning. We all know standalone is the way to go but I'm not going to run it on my car..I'd just like to crack off a 10 second slip on E85 and 30psi and get kicked off, if I knew that was possible I'd probably get one. You'd think a .7 gian in e.t. would be possible but it's not that cut and dry really.
I want to see some cars running stock ECU run at the track with this turbo and see how much mph they really pick up, this turbo sounds almost too good to be true given the $$ per HP ratio for stock appearing turbos until now..
FYI the red should be worse (slightly) then a stock turbo for MPG soley because of increased backpressure off boost in the hotside..IT's all tuning and nothing having to do with the turbo really.
On a side note I want to say that I think I can speak for 99% of us when I say 100 octane is "racing fuel" weather or not a specialty station nearby sells it at the pump..I have not seen it at the pump in over 10 years..And I do agree with another 99% of the people here that I think FP makes GREAT turbochargers!
and DSSA! WTF man show your face somewhere other then JNZ which I have never even been to in my life.
Back on topic I'd really like to see some customers that are not associated with FP put up some track times with openport tuning. We all know standalone is the way to go but I'm not going to run it on my car..I'd just like to crack off a 10 second slip on E85 and 30psi and get kicked off, if I knew that was possible I'd probably get one. You'd think a .7 gian in e.t. would be possible but it's not that cut and dry really.
I want to see some cars running stock ECU run at the track with this turbo and see how much mph they really pick up, this turbo sounds almost too good to be true given the $$ per HP ratio for stock appearing turbos until now..
FYI the red should be worse (slightly) then a stock turbo for MPG soley because of increased backpressure off boost in the hotside..IT's all tuning and nothing having to do with the turbo really.
On a side note I want to say that I think I can speak for 99% of us when I say 100 octane is "racing fuel" weather or not a specialty station nearby sells it at the pump..I have not seen it at the pump in over 10 years..And I do agree with another 99% of the people here that I think FP makes GREAT turbochargers!
Last edited by PeteyTurbo; Aug 5, 2008 at 03:37 PM.
The fuel curves and timing curve capabilities for real race gas, like C16, Q16, or VP Import are very different than those for pump gas, including 100 octane unleaded from the pump, and so is the fuel's capability for very high boost. Here in Colorado, there are stations that have 106 octane you can pump. It has nowhere the performance characteristics of the C16 that I've compared it to. Not even in the same ballpark.
As a good example of this fact, look at 9sec9's boost levels on the Red using VP Import compared to the 26 PSI Robert was running on 100 unleaded pump.
The point is that Robert's information is another set of data that is useful for those who are trying to get a better feel on what the Red will do. It's easily comparable to many 93 pump gas tunes that use the general range in boost level (26PSI). As Robert explained, it was used in his car because it's 100F outside and the Motec has no knock feedback control.
Ok, I'll scan it and post it up tomorrow.
My EVO9 is stock engine, stock head (never been off). We did "sneak" the ARP headstuds in there when installing the FP4R cams.
Stock intake manifold, stock upper IC pipes. Stock air intake pipe with non stock MAF meter and open element filter. It has 850cc injectors and a 342 fuel pump. Stock fuel lines and regulator. It has a Buschur race FMIC (you gotta have one of the these, especially in Texas), and a scratch built lower IC pipe. It has a 3" Works O2 housing and 3" DP and exhaust system, no cat. It has a exedy twin ceramic clutch (the HD one). It has a stock unported exhaust manifold, and a unported turbine housing. The turbo is the FP EVORed model of course.
I have since replaced the stock valve springs with our beehive style springs after noticing that the stock springs were sagging out after 15k miles on the 4R's with a daily 8500rpm rev limit and countless trips to that rev limiter.
The ECU is motec M800, but the ignition system is stock. Lots of stock parts. I like stock parts, I like popping the hood after those low 11 second passes and having people walk up and look really confused. BTW, I got 31mpg in that car on the way too and from the track, and it did even better a few days later on another trip, 37mpg.
My EVO9 is stock engine, stock head (never been off). We did "sneak" the ARP headstuds in there when installing the FP4R cams.
Stock intake manifold, stock upper IC pipes. Stock air intake pipe with non stock MAF meter and open element filter. It has 850cc injectors and a 342 fuel pump. Stock fuel lines and regulator. It has a Buschur race FMIC (you gotta have one of the these, especially in Texas), and a scratch built lower IC pipe. It has a 3" Works O2 housing and 3" DP and exhaust system, no cat. It has a exedy twin ceramic clutch (the HD one). It has a stock unported exhaust manifold, and a unported turbine housing. The turbo is the FP EVORed model of course.
I have since replaced the stock valve springs with our beehive style springs after noticing that the stock springs were sagging out after 15k miles on the 4R's with a daily 8500rpm rev limit and countless trips to that rev limiter.
The ECU is motec M800, but the ignition system is stock. Lots of stock parts. I like stock parts, I like popping the hood after those low 11 second passes and having people walk up and look really confused. BTW, I got 31mpg in that car on the way too and from the track, and it did even better a few days later on another trip, 37mpg.
C16, Q16, VP Import or similar is real race gas. 100UL is NOT.
The fuel curves and timing curve capabilities for real race gas, like C16, Q16, or VP Import are very different than those for pump gas, including 100 octane unleaded from the pump, and so is the fuel's capability for very high boost.
The fuel curves and timing curve capabilities for real race gas, like C16, Q16, or VP Import are very different than those for pump gas, including 100 octane unleaded from the pump, and so is the fuel's capability for very high boost.
And I'm well aware of the disparity in performance between octanes, thanks..a even a few points can have a massive difference in trap when used properly.
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Guys, if I thought 100 octane fuel was the same as 93 octane fuel, why would I run 100 octane fuel? It has benefits, like less detonation. I need that, I don't have knock control and I want to run more than 22psi.
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