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Old May 29, 2015 | 01:39 PM
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what are your impressions? that seems good in theory but can not read the graph of your dyno clearly. does your tuner like it, was it worth the hype for you
I love it. Car is a blast to drive. Not laggy at all. Tuner like it. There's no way to describe it. To me it's worth all the hype. Seams to spool like my stocker but hold power all the way with ease.
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Old May 30, 2015 | 06:31 PM
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@mick_O it sounds like you would like the mixed flow EFR7163 turbo. divided twin scroll fullrace makes it in bottom mount

or you can do like Fritz and top mount the 7670, but that is laggier than stock evo 9 turbos
Im not convinced on the 7163 haven't seen any results on Evos yet. Whati have seen hasn't really impressed me either.. So Its 7670 for me at this stage.. I think it will spool pretty damn good on a 2.3L
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Old May 30, 2015 | 08:50 PM
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Honestly I think the 7670 will be great on a built 2.0 maybe I can get a special someone to send me a 7163 for some "testing"
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Old May 31, 2015 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by efrevo
@mick_O it sounds like you would like the mixed flow EFR7163 turbo. divided twin scroll fullrace makes it in bottom mount

or you can do like Fritz and top mount the 7670, but that is laggier than stock evo 9 turbos

We don't need FullRace in AUS, we've got HyperTune > the same guys that put manifolds on Tilton Evo and Scorch S15


I have one myself, IMO its packaged better than the FullRace. Bottom mount (because Bottom > Top), retain AC (if you desire) and still enough room to run a decent exhaust (decent = better than the 180* bend Full Race offers)




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Old May 31, 2015 | 08:37 PM
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Runner diameter? Which EFR's does this work with?
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Old May 31, 2015 | 09:06 PM
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Runner diameter is 44.45mm w/ 2.7mm wall. Investment cast collector, 347 stainless (FullRace is 304 I believe)

This will work with any EFR. Can also use this for most other T4 configured turbos. The big boys (8374 & 9180) will understandably need a bit of massaging to get them to fit (slim radiators etc), unsure if you need to notch trans mount but as you can see its a fairly compact package versus other designs, it may not be required

Pete @ Hypertune is the man if you want pricing/any other queries; pete@hypertune.net
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Old May 31, 2015 | 09:36 PM
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Yea the notching of the trans would be interesting to know if that's needed on this Hypertune. (8374 or 9180) .
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Old May 31, 2015 | 11:28 PM
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Full Race makes bottom mount EFR Kit...and for sure its not SST304!
I have it, and the manifold is simply amazing: I am not fabricator, but am engineer- I know what SST304 looks like..and this is not it.
I will check the material composition if possible...I have access to electron spectroscopy machine..

The manifold is made to last forever on race car, really really heavy duty: had no reason to check wall thickness but now you got me tickled.

Full Race is top notch..others can do as well, but to do better is not to be expected-its a high bar to achieve!
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Old Jun 1, 2015 | 12:01 AM
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My mistake, appears the FullRace stuff might be 316H
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Old Jun 1, 2015 | 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by FossilAus
My mistake, appears the FullRace stuff might be 316H
Full-Race manifolds are indeed 316H That hypertune manifold looks great btw!
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Old Jun 1, 2015 | 06:56 AM
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Impressive they were able build it with large size tubing. One thing that surprises me though is that it appears the left side is not equal length, but they could have done it.

Any pictures of the side of the manifold where it mates to the exhaust ports?
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Old Jun 1, 2015 | 02:29 PM
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Honestly, if those are equivalent turbine wheels (target power range) it seems pretty obvious why the Garrett makes more top end. With the full back wheel and thick blades, sure they reduce flow area. But look at the blade height at the nozzle of the turbine housing. The Garrett is noticeably taller in that picture. Think of wheel diameter * nozzle height for an idea on flow area. Looks like it has 30% or more flow area ignoring the blade thickness and fullback area.

Stepping back to just a theoretical approach though. The mixed flow stuff is all about improving low speed efficiency over radial flow turbines. Two wheels, same OD, the mixed flow wheel gives up some high speed efficiency in favor of low speed efficiency to the radial flow wheel. Just how it works. You can get similar flow out of them, but the mixed flow extracts less energy out of that flow at high tip speeds...thus backpressure goes up at high airflow rates to get the needed drive power.

Originally Posted by spdracerut
No prof, just an educated guess...



For reference is the standard Garrett turbine wheel.


Anyway, just my thoughts.

On the hypertune manifold, 44.45mm OD with 2.7mm wall is 1.54" ID, which is perfect for the 4G63, IMO. 1.25" pipe is too small and 1.5" is too big...

It doesn't look like it's equal length, but I wouldn't worry at all about that as the runner lengths don't look to be long enough to provide a useable torque bump anyway. It LOOKS like a great manifold.

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Old Jun 1, 2015 | 04:51 PM
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Sent an email to Pete at Hypertune. He says the 8374 will clear the transmission with their manifold. Cost is $1200.00 and they have more Evo parts on the way.

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Old Jun 1, 2015 | 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 03whitegsr

On the hypertune manifold, 44.45mm OD with 2.7mm wall is 1.54" ID, which is perfect for the 4G63, IMO. 1.25" pipe is too small and 1.5" is too big...

It doesn't look like it's equal length, but I wouldn't worry at all about that as the runner lengths don't look to be long enough to provide a useable torque bump anyway. It LOOKS like a great manifold.

If its good enough to find its way onto Tilton & Scorch, its good enough for me
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Old Jun 2, 2015 | 06:00 AM
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[QUOTE=FossilAus;11454458]We don't need FullRace in AUS, we've got HyperTune > the same guys that put manifolds on Tilton Evo and Scorch S15


I have one myself, IMO its packaged better than the FullRace. Bottom mount (because Bottom > Top), retain AC (if you desire) and still enough room to run a decent exhaust (decent = better than the 180* bend Full Race offers)

Im confused are you saying that this header is not ac compatible?
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