Kinugawa 25g turbo thread
oh damn, for 32 psi on that baby turbine. not bad at all man! hell yeah. guess the 11.5 hotside with the sl2 wheel does sorta shift the powerband too the slight right and relieved some of that unwanted back pressure. nice man.
read a few pages back and it looks as if VIII Diver is no longer a 25G owner. seems hes movee onto bigger and better things. good for him. ive contemplated selling my kit and slapping on one of my t3 framed turbos amd my full tubular kit. ive gotta 6265E that would love too see some boost and a sc61 p trim that im contemplating on stuffing a bigger compressor wheel in (either billet or cast, but something around a 67mm sized wheel) on the kit. idk. ive got a few tricks up my sleeve but not sure if I wanna do that just yet since my initial plan was too take my current setup too the moon lmao hopefully too make this setup as epic as possible lol
read a few pages back and it looks as if VIII Diver is no longer a 25G owner. seems hes movee onto bigger and better things. good for him. ive contemplated selling my kit and slapping on one of my t3 framed turbos amd my full tubular kit. ive gotta 6265E that would love too see some boost and a sc61 p trim that im contemplating on stuffing a bigger compressor wheel in (either billet or cast, but something around a 67mm sized wheel) on the kit. idk. ive got a few tricks up my sleeve but not sure if I wanna do that just yet since my initial plan was too take my current setup too the moon lmao hopefully too make this setup as epic as possible lol
oh damn, for 32 psi on that baby turbine. not bad at all man! hell yeah. guess the 11.5 hotside with the sl2 wheel does sorta shift the powerband too the slight right and relieved some of that unwanted back pressure. nice man.
read a few pages back and it looks as if VIII Diver is no longer a 25G owner. seems hes movee onto bigger and better things. good for him. ive contemplated selling my kit and slapping on one of my t3 framed turbos amd my full tubular kit. ive gotta 6265E that would love too see some boost and a sc61 p trim that im contemplating on stuffing a bigger compressor wheel in (either billet or cast, but something around a 67mm sized wheel) on the kit. idk. ive got a few tricks up my sleeve but not sure if I wanna do that just yet since my initial plan was too take my current setup too the moon lmao hopefully too make this setup as epic as possible lol
read a few pages back and it looks as if VIII Diver is no longer a 25G owner. seems hes movee onto bigger and better things. good for him. ive contemplated selling my kit and slapping on one of my t3 framed turbos amd my full tubular kit. ive gotta 6265E that would love too see some boost and a sc61 p trim that im contemplating on stuffing a bigger compressor wheel in (either billet or cast, but something around a 67mm sized wheel) on the kit. idk. ive got a few tricks up my sleeve but not sure if I wanna do that just yet since my initial plan was too take my current setup too the moon lmao hopefully too make this setup as epic as possible lol
You're right my friend, i'm no longer a 25g owner, my 2.4 is rocking an ETS kit with a PTE 6466 BB now, love it, my old 25g kit was sold to one of my customers down in Miami, his fully built engine put down 588 at 34 psi, i'll see if i can find the video, but he's also looking to upgrade to an even bigger turbo so i guess that will be it for now untill he decides to run more boost.
You're right my friend, i'm no longer a 25g owner, my 2.4 is rocking an ETS kit with a PTE 6466 BB now, love it, my old 25g kit was sold to one of my customers down in Miami, his fully built engine put down 588 at 34 psi, i'll see if i can find the video, but he's also looking to upgrade to an even bigger turbo so i guess that will be it for now untill he decides to run more boost. nice. would love too see that vid. i kno every car and build is different, but I feel like my turbo can get me 700+whp with the crank all the way turned up, thats the only reason why I haven't actually sold it ;-). plus, the turbo is kickass. you cant imaging how many offers ive got for it lol but I still cant cave. even with the turbos I have at home and full tubular kit, I still cant. I made a goal, and I feel like I needtoo fofollow thru with it.
the turbo is plenty for me. compressor wheel at the inducer measures 61mm, at the extended tip measures 82mm, the turbine wheel beong the larger of the bunch in the TD06 family (67mm) and clipped stuffed in my old ball bearing cartridge also helps a lot with spool and transient response, I admit, the manifold isnt that great (cast steel) and isnt tubular, but the hotside is decently sized (similar too the evo9s except is a single scroll molded integrated housing), but I feel like it still capable of what I intend. I will admit, ive thought of building a tubular manifold too accommodate the evo 9 housing too take full advantage of the turbo but for now, I think ill hold off. may do something custom later but if its making 527@23ish psi, seems like the manifold is efficient too me
apologize for the rant lol...
Last edited by SANDIEGOSFINEST; Mar 1, 2014 at 08:49 PM.
Guys please somebody i have read through most of this need quick answers i have old style td06sl2r-20g kinugawa adjustable billet actuator which must be fine because bench tested it and it was perfect however put on car and only making 16psi with 1.2 bar spring definitely no boost leaks do i need upgraded thrust bearing?? Seems bit of play in wheel, wastegate flapper has bit side movement dont no if thats normal?? Please guys help
Kinugawa Turbo KAMAK DYNAMICS review, catastrophic failure
Hi all,
I am far from having a race car, I am driving a Mitsubishi Delica... But I like to share my story as this could help others as well.
I only read positive reviews before getting a Kinugawa KAMAC turbo, then once I got into troubles with it, I started to find some negatives reviews... But too late...
Now, its a long post, and a first post, do not take it as negative, but more like a little warning on what can happen with the Taiwanese turbo as if I had read some of your post here about those failure I wouldn't have got one...
Cheers
Now, the long post, get the popcorn or the haggis
Kinugawa Turbo made by KAMAK DYNAMICS review, catastrophic failure, turbo seal failed and near runaway
engine and No guaranty...
Here is a bad story and this is to warn you about my bad experience with those Chinese Turbos.
I nearly lost an engine, certainly lost money and a lot of time...
First they are not made in Japan, and I doubt that the bearing that is suppose to be made in Japan is really made in Japan either...
Its a Taiwanese made and not Japanese as the Advert says this is were they are based on ebay...
Now, all started when I wanted more power, then decided to go for a larger Turbo, the Kinugawa looking good and keen on price. I read some good reviews about them, then decided to take the plunge and bought one.
Got a special price at 300 pounds for the complete turbo shipped to Scotland.
The Turbo arrive and was bolted in.
More power indeed, you can feel it right away. I was delighted, but not for long... Not long at all...
After a long trip, on my way back, luckily just when I was near home, the Turbo started to wine a little louder? I didn't thought much about it as I barelly did 1500 miles with it on the Delica.
The next day I went for a spin and about 5 miles from where I started, at 20Mph, BANG! A loud noise, load of smoke, no power... EEK!
I stopped the deli ( I was very lucky there) and look under the hood, take the air intake out and the turbo at the front was pissing engine oil, this was also going into the manifold... Not good as I nearly had a runaway engine!
The white smoke was engine oil going into the exhaust...
The turbo wheels was totally destroyed, the axle broken and the seal non existent as oil was pouring everywhere...
Home I took the turbo out, and put back the old Mitsubishi one, that has been there for 100,000 miles and was / is still going strong...
Now that was bad, really bad... But it get worse with Kinugawa kamak not accepting any liability there...
Kinugawa were a guaranty, well, is no guaranty...
Sachiko, the person I was talking to from Kinugawa kamak, started to tell me that something must have gone into the Turbo... Or that I turn the turbo housing to accommodate the fitting and that cause a total collapse( I get back to that later too) ... Or that my settings must be wrong and so on...
To that I replied that the old Mit turbo is still going strong, still in good shape, and all on the same settings...
Nothing would move Sachiko, it wasn't their reliable Turbos... Yeh, right...
I send him the Turbo back to Taiwan and Sachiko said he'll make a rebuild for me, need a new CHRA as the other was totally gone ( Like I wasn't aware of that) , and to fix it, Sachiko told me this would cost me 120 pounds... :deadhorse
I already paid 50 pounds to ship it back to Taiwan...
Then here we are, 300 + 50 + 120... Total of 470, a near runaway engine and huge amount of time and effort tinkering with the on and off turbo replacement...
I got the rebuild Turbo a while later. Now, the front wheel housing was on the wrong place, facing left when the Turbo was in instead of facing upward... I told Sachiko about this, to that he replied:
You can gently turn the wheel as we usually accommodate when customers want for their car??? He new it was for a Delica, he knew the intake should be facing upward, not sideways...The mind boggle here too as I was told on Turbo number one that if I moved the wheel, it was a reason for a failure, but now was told I can do it... Humm...
I put the turbo in, all oiled , let it idle for a bit, then stop the engine, all was good. I was back on track. Not for long... Not at all...
I drove to a shop nicely, town driving, no traffic, took me about 10 minutes.
From there I went to Mit dealer which was another 15 minutes away, there I had few burst to test the turbo, it wasn't spooling too fast I thought but hey, it was spooling...
At Mit, the car was idled and started to smoke, unusual, I thought it might be some oil that went into the exhaust?
From there a wee spin on the Highway see how it goes then 20 minutes later I stopped and the car and shock... It was smoking like hell... Again...
A guy stopped there telling me its the turbo seal, to that I replied, I just put the new turbo in now...
Went home blinding every one behind me with the smoke, took the turbo off and it was all wet with engine oil
took the clip out, full of engine oil...
Now I am , again, back with the old Mit Turbo that is still going strong...
Sachiko from Kinugawa Kamak Dynamic sound like a broken record, this is not his turbo fault, this is my oil fed that are blocked, or something wrong with my settings and so on, he refuse to acknowledge the truth and that the old Mitsubishi Turbo is still going strong on the same car, same settings...
Kinugawa turbos from KAMAK are a total failure.
Kinugawa, when a guaranty is not a guaranty.
I am far from having a race car, I am driving a Mitsubishi Delica... But I like to share my story as this could help others as well.
I only read positive reviews before getting a Kinugawa KAMAC turbo, then once I got into troubles with it, I started to find some negatives reviews... But too late...
Now, its a long post, and a first post, do not take it as negative, but more like a little warning on what can happen with the Taiwanese turbo as if I had read some of your post here about those failure I wouldn't have got one...
Cheers

Now, the long post, get the popcorn or the haggis

Kinugawa Turbo made by KAMAK DYNAMICS review, catastrophic failure, turbo seal failed and near runaway
engine and No guaranty...
Here is a bad story and this is to warn you about my bad experience with those Chinese Turbos.
I nearly lost an engine, certainly lost money and a lot of time...
First they are not made in Japan, and I doubt that the bearing that is suppose to be made in Japan is really made in Japan either...
Its a Taiwanese made and not Japanese as the Advert says this is were they are based on ebay...
Now, all started when I wanted more power, then decided to go for a larger Turbo, the Kinugawa looking good and keen on price. I read some good reviews about them, then decided to take the plunge and bought one.
Got a special price at 300 pounds for the complete turbo shipped to Scotland.
The Turbo arrive and was bolted in.
More power indeed, you can feel it right away. I was delighted, but not for long... Not long at all...
After a long trip, on my way back, luckily just when I was near home, the Turbo started to wine a little louder? I didn't thought much about it as I barelly did 1500 miles with it on the Delica.
The next day I went for a spin and about 5 miles from where I started, at 20Mph, BANG! A loud noise, load of smoke, no power... EEK!
I stopped the deli ( I was very lucky there) and look under the hood, take the air intake out and the turbo at the front was pissing engine oil, this was also going into the manifold... Not good as I nearly had a runaway engine!
The white smoke was engine oil going into the exhaust...
The turbo wheels was totally destroyed, the axle broken and the seal non existent as oil was pouring everywhere...
Home I took the turbo out, and put back the old Mitsubishi one, that has been there for 100,000 miles and was / is still going strong...
Now that was bad, really bad... But it get worse with Kinugawa kamak not accepting any liability there...
Kinugawa were a guaranty, well, is no guaranty...
Sachiko, the person I was talking to from Kinugawa kamak, started to tell me that something must have gone into the Turbo... Or that I turn the turbo housing to accommodate the fitting and that cause a total collapse( I get back to that later too) ... Or that my settings must be wrong and so on...
To that I replied that the old Mit turbo is still going strong, still in good shape, and all on the same settings...
Nothing would move Sachiko, it wasn't their reliable Turbos... Yeh, right...
I send him the Turbo back to Taiwan and Sachiko said he'll make a rebuild for me, need a new CHRA as the other was totally gone ( Like I wasn't aware of that) , and to fix it, Sachiko told me this would cost me 120 pounds... :deadhorse
I already paid 50 pounds to ship it back to Taiwan...
Then here we are, 300 + 50 + 120... Total of 470, a near runaway engine and huge amount of time and effort tinkering with the on and off turbo replacement...
I got the rebuild Turbo a while later. Now, the front wheel housing was on the wrong place, facing left when the Turbo was in instead of facing upward... I told Sachiko about this, to that he replied:
You can gently turn the wheel as we usually accommodate when customers want for their car??? He new it was for a Delica, he knew the intake should be facing upward, not sideways...The mind boggle here too as I was told on Turbo number one that if I moved the wheel, it was a reason for a failure, but now was told I can do it... Humm...
I put the turbo in, all oiled , let it idle for a bit, then stop the engine, all was good. I was back on track. Not for long... Not at all...
I drove to a shop nicely, town driving, no traffic, took me about 10 minutes.
From there I went to Mit dealer which was another 15 minutes away, there I had few burst to test the turbo, it wasn't spooling too fast I thought but hey, it was spooling...
At Mit, the car was idled and started to smoke, unusual, I thought it might be some oil that went into the exhaust?
From there a wee spin on the Highway see how it goes then 20 minutes later I stopped and the car and shock... It was smoking like hell... Again...
A guy stopped there telling me its the turbo seal, to that I replied, I just put the new turbo in now...
Went home blinding every one behind me with the smoke, took the turbo off and it was all wet with engine oil
took the clip out, full of engine oil...Now I am , again, back with the old Mit Turbo that is still going strong...
Sachiko from Kinugawa Kamak Dynamic sound like a broken record, this is not his turbo fault, this is my oil fed that are blocked, or something wrong with my settings and so on, he refuse to acknowledge the truth and that the old Mitsubishi Turbo is still going strong on the same car, same settings...
Kinugawa turbos from KAMAK are a total failure.
Kinugawa, when a guaranty is not a guaranty.
^ So i guess because you're turbo went bad they're all bad ?
That as it might have been was just your experience, just because one went bad doesn't mean they're all bad, like it was said before, every turbo from any make will have failures, there is not one turbo company out there that is 100% failure free, besides it's hard to make a real assesment of wheather it was supposed to be covered under warranty with just your side of the story.
^ So i guess because you're turbo went bad they're all bad ?
That as it might have been was just your experience, just because one went bad doesn't mean they're all bad, like it was said before, every turbo from any make will have failures, there is not one turbo company out there that is 100% failure free, besides it's hard to make a real assesment of wheather it was supposed to be covered under warranty with just your side of the story.
Not 1 but 2 went bad...
First one was totally destroyed. Second is sitting in the kitchen since the same day I put it in as I had to remove it due to a total seal failure... If I was driving further away from home, this one too would have had a total failure...
I actually thought the engine was dead when I started the next day with the old Mitsubishi Turbo, there was a lot of smoke, and for a while... That was bad...
I truly thought: Bugger, this is the end

It was the pool of engine oil that poured in the exhaust pipe the day before
Then no, I do not say they are all bad, just say that 2 went and that there are others on the same situation and that when they went, there is actually no guaranty
as they will tell you , you are doing something wrong...This is why this post



