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Old May 7, 2012 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Babylon6
Reached that conclusion last night David. Are you in a position to outline what is involved in converting? Looking forward to a price.
The list below is the majority of parts needed from us to put this into an EVO8-9:

Transmission
Torque converter
Shifter/cable/shifter base/trans bracket and shift arm
Flexplate and hardware
Clutch pedal delete plate
Center console cover
Trans wiring
Trans fluid
Machining of your transfer case

You may also want to use our new BR Race FMIC kit we built that re-routes the upper i/c pipe to fit nicely with the new trans and the upper i/c pipe kit. If not anyone can have someone local build an upper pipe to work with the kit they have already. I just didn't like the routing and figured a newly designed kit was the best option, for me at least. We have those FMIC's and pipe kits in stock now, same price as our normal kits, shorter routing and they work with 5 speeds/6 speeds too.

The expense over just obtaining the cores to build everything is having the trans built, converter built, the cases we need to have cast/machined for the transmissions.

I spoke with Vince this morning, he has two DSM auto's he is finishing up for me for customers this week and then next week my trans is the main priority. I want to have it in the car next week and get back to testing. We have our Sport Compact race coming up the first week of June and I'm hoping to prove it works then.
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Old May 7, 2012 | 08:05 AM
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David, I dont do a lot of drag racing, but how would this trans work on highway rolls? I prefer to buy this from you than keep sending trans to Shep.
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Old May 7, 2012 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by David Buschur
I see NO problem with an EVO crushing the GTR or Lambo's in the 1/4 mile after this trans stuff is sorted. Think about the gains the DSM's have made from a 5 speed to the auto, typically .5 seconds. That would put a car like the Bish in the 8.50-8.60 range, with the new DR's from M&H, who knows what it would 60' but I'm guessing it will still run some 1.40's. This is going to be a true game changer for the EVO's.

sorry to be off topic here, but any more info on the m&h new drag radials?
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Old May 7, 2012 | 09:38 AM
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sorry to be off topic here, but any more info on the m&h new drag radials?
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/dr...acemaster.html

tada!
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Old May 7, 2012 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Pirana
David, I dont do a lot of drag racing, but how would this trans work on highway rolls? I prefer to buy this from you than keep sending trans to Shep.
same here I'm sick and tired of wasting money on trans and triples disc clutches.
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Old May 7, 2012 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by David Buschur
I see NO problem with an EVO crushing the GTR or Lambo's in the 1/4 mile after this trans stuff is sorted. Think about the gains the DSM's have made from a 5 speed to the auto, typically .5 seconds. That would put a car like the Bish in the 8.50-8.60 range, with the new DR's from M&H, who knows what it would 60' but I'm guessing it will still run some 1.40's. This is going to be a true game changer for the EVO's.

.5 Second when you are already in the 9 second range is amazing return on the dollar. If testing goes well how do I get on this list?

Would be awesome to have my high HP evo operate like my first car. A 66 Nova with a 383 stroker. Super excited to see more on this.
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Old May 7, 2012 | 12:26 PM
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Will this work with a ACD tcase?
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Old May 7, 2012 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Pirana
David, I dont do a lot of drag racing, but how would this trans work on highway rolls? I prefer to buy this from you than keep sending trans to Shep.
I'd guess it would do well, the actual terminal speed at a given point is probably going to be less but the time it takes you to get to that point is going to be quicker, should make you win.
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Old May 7, 2012 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Dragking2189
same here I'm sick and tired of wasting money on trans and triples disc clutches.
I hear you, believe me. Throw a couple $5,000 Tiltons in there and you'll be in my shoes and developing this!

asubennett, to get on the list simply send me a PM with your name and number to contact you.

teribble, yes I believe so, the t-case will require us to do some machining to it, as does the non ACD case but I see no reason why it won't work.
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Old May 8, 2012 | 04:22 AM
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If I break my trans this summer I'm going to hope you have it all worked out come winter.

I'd totally rock one of these at next year's tx2k if that happens.
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Old May 8, 2012 | 11:57 PM
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once it is done and holds up to what you put it threw im in. it will be my winter project for sure. i already cant wait for 2013 season to start and i haven't even driven my car in 2012 yet. hahah.
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Old May 13, 2012 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by David Buschur
The list below is the majority of parts needed from us to put this into an EVO8-9:

Transmission
Torque converter
Shifter/cable/shifter base/trans bracket and shift arm
Flexplate and hardware
Clutch pedal delete plate
Center console cover
Trans wiring
Trans fluid
Machining of your transfer case

...

The expense over just obtaining the cores to build everything is having the trans built, converter built, the cases we need to have cast/machined for the transmissions.
David, how about the Evo 7 GTA - presumably I just need the TC, transmission and wiring? The GTA has a slightly different transfer casing to a normal 7 - see here - http://www.lancerregister.com/showpost.php?p=3041606.

Looking forward to seeing any dyno graphs you can share.

Ran 11.6 @114 on mine today. Hitting a real wall with the W5A51 top end.

Last edited by Babylon6; May 13, 2012 at 10:49 AM.
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Old May 14, 2012 | 11:33 AM
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I don't understand your question, please explain better.
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Old May 14, 2012 | 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by David Buschur
I don't understand your question, please explain better.
So I own an Evo 7 GTA, which as you know is already automatic. A bunch of the things in your list I should already have so my question is, which bits would i need for sure.

The Transfer casing on my GTA is different to a standard 7 casing so the second question is, would I still need the custom machining done.

Thanks

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Old May 14, 2012 | 05:45 PM
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OK, I don't know because I've never held an EVO7 transfer case, so no way for me to know. I also thought something was odd with the axles or stub shafts on the EVO7, so again I don't know.
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