We're just going to have to wait for the Evo and Sti to arrive before we jump the gun and compare our versions of these cars (which are the ones that matter).

Mark

 

Then can you tell us why Porsche, Ferrari and some F1 formula car use Flat layout? If I give you some example of I4 engine's torgue, are you going to change your mind?

Where you get this info? We know Subaru have trans problem, but EVO got its overheat problem too, but both car have great engine.

 

I m sure the STi 6 speeds trans is stronger then the EVO 5 speeds tran. and i own 2002 WRX for almost 2 years, no problem at all. By the way, my friend bought a 2000 eclipse GSX when it was brand new, 2000miles later, moonroof leak, less then 2 years later, tranmission leak, then he got so upset with the car and sold it. But who know, the EVO is going to be made in japan, i hope is going to be more reliable.

 

That'd take some doing because the GSX's last year was '99 and in '00 they went to the V6. I guess it was a '99 or the new fish-styled GT?

I'm with the more or less equal thing here. It's not that Mitsubishi or Subaru lack the technology to one up each other or to have one build a better car than the other, it's that they both have the same/similar restrictions for production cars. That means they try to use every bit of the limit to its fullest and keep both driving and prices competative. I dunno if I stated that clearly, but I think most of you get my drift.

EDIT: And ask Andy (BADWRX) about his WRX tranny. I don't think you'll find that you had similar experiences.

 

Yeah, my bad, it was a 99.

 

please enlighten me, do ferrari and F1 race cars have boxer engines? i do know the old VW beetle have boxer engines.

 

http://www.scudi.com/dalia312TEngine.html

 

hmmm, good point, there were some ferrari engines with flat engines, the last one was the testarrosa but even before they started racing, the V12 and V10 were their engines. if you look at ferrari.com, those were yesteryears engine. V10 and V12 have been their staple, why is that??

 

That is a very old engine.

 

my point exactly!

 

Yes they are, and i just kinda did a simple yahoo search for it, didn't really look into it. But we all know Porsche is still using Flat layout and is not something old. However, i don't recall Prosche or Ferrari use an I layout engine.

 

here is a link that tells you where flat engine has its advantage.

http://www.subaru-global.com/about/awd/3300/index.html

 

The example for the inline engine is not completely honest, because for every cylinder going up, there is also one going down. Their example would only be true if it was a one cylinder engine.

 

I forgot to add, I do see the advantage of the lower center of gravity for the boxer engine.

 

The key here is "Are the cylinders going up and the cylinders goind down creating same weight? No, it isn't. "I" layout engine's cylinders doesn’t nessesory have equal weight going up and down at the same time which will cancel each other out, but the Subaru Flat layout does. And yes you are right about the lower center of gravity for the boxer engine.

http://www.subaru-global.com/about/awd/1200.html