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Old Dec 1, 2008 | 08:16 AM
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Thanks! Why C&D deviated from the 60-0mph standard is beyond me. That said, anyone have any idea what the added stopping distance is for the added 10mph OR does anyone know what the stopping difference is for the X from 70-0mph?

Later, Ken
I've noticed that the extra 10mph adds on average about 40 feet to the stopping distance, i.e. a 110ft stop from 60 is a 150ft+ stop from 70. It's all relative of course, depends on the weight of the car, the brakes, etc., but I think 70-0 probably tests brake fade better.

If you google 70-0 braking for the Evo X, it returns test results ranging from 155-161ft, so it's basically a wash with the new Z.
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by KPerez
Thanks! Why C&D deviated from the 60-0mph standard is beyond me. That said, anyone have any idea what the added stopping distance is for the added 10mph OR does anyone know what the stopping difference is for the X from 70-0mph?

Later, Ken
I don't know what the X's 70-0 is, but as you said the Edmund's test of the 60-0 is 112 feet. Edmund's test of the 370z's 60-0 is 101 ft.
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 10:36 AM
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also the one time stopping power is not a same when you do it repeatedly.
So they might even for that one stop but who knows on track?
The 370Z has a weight advantige , so it will be easier on the breaks, the X have brembo's...
So who knows?
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Robevo RS
also the one time stopping power is not a same when you do it repeatedly.
So they might even for that one stop but who knows on track?
The 370Z has a weight advantige , so it will be easier on the breaks, the X have brembo's...
So who knows?
True, but they do the test repeatedly, and also test for fade. I think a bigger factor will be how the brakes behave at higher speeds, because who really brakes 60-0 on a track?
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 10:50 AM
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True, but they do the test repeatedly, and also test for fade. I think a bigger factor will be how the brakes behave at higher speeds, because who really brakes 60-0 on a track?
i think we both saying the same.
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by KPerez
Now the weight: According to C&D the 370Z will weigh 30lbs more than the 350Z (3320 lbs, Edmunds) or 3350; the X weighs 3517lbs(Edmunds) or 167lbs more than the 370Z. Now what is interesting is the stopping distances: 370Z=159ft (60-0mph, C&D) while the X is noticeably shorter, no much shorter, at 112ft (Edmunds). How can this be? A heavier car stopping shorter than a lighter car? Is it due to driver differences, brakes (Z does not have Brembos) or the weight of the new Z is actually heavier than that provided by Nissan. Your thoughts?

Later, Ken
C&D got 159ft from 70-0 for the Evo X GSR.
13.8@102
5.0 0-60
5-60 = 6.6 seconds
30-50 = 8.5
50-70 = 5.0

Brakes: front = 13.8in, rear = 13.0 in.

The Z has bigger brakes that are also 4-piston in the front, 2-piston in the rear. Just because they don't say 'brembo' doesn't mean anything; there are a good number of other manufactors as good or better (Alcon, Stoptech, AP Racing, Baer, etc).
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by spdracerut
C&D got 159ft from 70-0 for the Evo X GSR.
13.8@102
5.0 0-60
5-60 = 6.6 seconds
30-50 = 8.5
50-70 = 5.0

Brakes: front = 13.8in, rear = 13.0 in.

The Z has bigger brakes that are also 4-piston in the front, 2-piston in the rear. Just because they don't say 'brembo' doesn't mean anything; there are a good number of other manufactors as good or better (Alcon, Stoptech, AP Racing, Baer, etc).
"Just because they don't say 'brembo' doesn't mean anything; there are a good number of other manufactors as good or better (Alcon, Stoptech, AP Racing, Baer, etc"

what this actually do with the Nissan breaks?
They are not Brembo's , right, but they are neither Alcon's or AP Racing ...

Just because they not Brembo's they can be great , for sure .
Just like the 335i breaks.
But they fade sooner and more rapidly then the Brembo's. So actually the Brembo's are do say something ...

So those other brands, nothing to do with this subject, since neither of car have them. Capish?

But the Evo does have a Brembo's. Just as the older Z's got them.

So it is an obvious question do they perform as the Brembo's did on track?

Old Dec 1, 2008 | 11:45 AM
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Ok time for a noob Q. I know its a really cool car but why being 3200lbs 330hp 0-60 5.1 secs compared to evo X 3500lbs 291hp 0-60 4.9secs????
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 11:50 AM
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Ok time for a noob Q. I know its a really cool car but why being 3200lbs 330hp 0-60 5.1 secs compared to evo X 3500lbs 291hp 0-60 4.9secs????
can be gearing or lesser tires - awd vs rwd , test circumstances etc.
Many reason.
It is what it is. Just take it.
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Originally Posted by spdracerut
C&D got 159ft from 70-0 for the Evo X GSR.
13.8@102
5.0 0-60
5-60 = 6.6 seconds
30-50 = 8.5
50-70 = 5.0

Brakes: front = 13.8in, rear = 13.0 in.

The Z has bigger brakes that are also 4-piston in the front, 2-piston in the rear. Just because they don't say 'brembo' doesn't mean anything; there are a good number of other manufactors as good or better (Alcon, Stoptech, AP Racing, Baer, etc).
30-50 8.5 seconds??? that can't be right
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by kyooch
30-50 8.5 seconds??? that can't be right
Top gear pull. 5th gear is roughly 4k rpms at 80mph? So 30mph is about 1500rpms. Not too much boost or power down there....
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by kyooch
I don't know what the X's 70-0 is, but as you said the Edmund's test of the 60-0 is 112 feet. Edmund's test of the 370z's 60-0 is 101 ft.
Well at least these numbers make sence! So 167lbs additional weight in the X relative to the 370Z translates into ~11ft of added braking distance assuming the driver in both tests weighed the same. At least that is one performance difference you get when you buy the Z over the X.

Later, Ken
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by spdracerut
Top gear pull. 5th gear is roughly 4k rpms at 80mph? So 30mph is about 1500rpms. Not too much boost or power down there....
ohhh gotcha
Old Dec 1, 2008 | 05:24 PM
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The stock brembos are nothing to faint about, most likely the 370Z's ones that come with the package are just calipers only for brembo brand anyways. Brembo has bazillion types of calipers and ones that come on 30k cars are usually low end ones from them. Now the brembo brakes on ZR1 is a different story, however it is still inferior to the ones fitted in LeMans cars interms of absolute performance.

Brake fade is more important than braking distance, given reasonable figures. Hyundai Genesis stops pretty good for 3-4 times but afterwards the brakes become useless until cooled.
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