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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 10:14 PM
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If and when Mitsu decides to get back into rally, I'll consider the EVO X. Until they have a rally car that even remotely resembles the X, forget about it.

While I realize when you buy an EVO you're not getting a rally car out of the box, the "rally inspired" EVO is what got my attention in the first place.

Subaru, on the other hand, has had a stable rally "career" and IMO has had a better backing / support of the sport all along. They have my attention now. Even the non-STI WRX is a superb performer from '06+.

Hell, if Ford decided to release an AWD + Turbo Focus, I'd seriously consider it.


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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by bounce
Well all I can say is if they are looking for new customers, they will certainly find them with that new X. Personally I could never bring myself to part with $36k for the current EVO. Let me put this as gently as I can… The current EVO looks too much like a riced up cheapo econo box. Oh I know the performance is there, and I know all the parts are functional, so it’s not really rice. You see the problem is most normal people don’t know this. So when you’re proudly driving around town in your marvel of Japanese engineering, everyone around you is thinking, “look at that idiot in his riced up encono box”. Many of you are now thinking, “well I don’t care how others perceive me, as long as I’m happy”. But you will one day learn that this can be more important than you initially realized; both at work and at play. For this reason I would rather pay a little more and get an Audi S4, fast yet tastefully understated. The boy racer look is fine… If you’re a boy racer. I am not, so the look doesn’t suit me.

Those who disregarded these attributes and still purchased the current model car are relatively few. It’s a niche market. And these mean a limited market. The new car will draw from a wider pool of customers. It will range from those who will be saving every penny and need to work two jobs just to make the down payment, to those who have the cash just lying around and can buy it outright, and to everyone in between. It would be silly for Mitsu not to go after this much larger market.

One can understand the desire for the car to look more “Rally”. It is after all supposed to be based off a rally car. The hard thing is finding a way to accomplish that without going totally overboard.

That said, there is one thing that is certain, $36k is close to $40k out the door… For that kind of money the car should not only go like a $40k car, it should look like one also. The current car does not, the new car does. I know there are far more that agree with this statement than those that disagree. Perhaps not on this current generation owners forum, but Mitsu will have to move beyond this current niche market anyway, if they want to survive. Mitsu apparently knows this too.
...uhhh yeah, so why are you posting/lurking/nut swinging on a Lancer/Evo board if you are sooooo past the "boy racer" phase? Are you hunting for a new boyfriend, or did the other elitest @ssholes on the Lotus forum kick you off because you had rice in your mouth? hahahahahahah! Get a clue loser....you're in 4G63 country....Diamonds are forever biatch!
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Design1stCode2n
The more I look at the Concept X and Sportback the more apparent it is that Mitsubishi is trying to move the Evo out of it's super niche market. From my position that is a good thing. Many on here would disagree I'm sure and I understand your point. Every article or review on 8s and 9s have been glowing on the Evo's performance and handling. The three areas many would find the Evo lacking are in: ride quality (comfort), quality of interior materials and body style. Not many here but then many here are existing Evo owners who either like the Boy Racer image or just want the best performance for the dollar and will sacrifice most everything else for that.

Will I admire the dedication and Mitsubishi for providing it they are bleeding red and need something that will appeal to a greater audience. What one vehicle is Mitsubishi most acclaimed for, the Gallant, the Endeavor? No the Evo. So it is understandable that they would try to preserve most of the spirit of the existing Evo while improving on the things the regular sporting crowd find missing.

I am really looking forward to the Evo X or the Sportback. It will hopefully provide room for 4, wonderful performance and handling and not feel like the wheels are welded to the frame and wrap it in a contemporary stylish exterior.
the evo 10 is step toward the masses
automatic / more comfort
my bet is that it will be a step down in performance to allow for these extra comfort features. that is if the price says the same.

but if it goes over 40k then it hopefully should be a better performer than the 9
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Happy Madison
dude, have you ever even looked at your own cars or are you just incredibly self-deluded??? mini cooper, jeep wrangler and elise?? i hate to burst your bubble, but none of them exactly screams sophisticated or classy...
+1 (again) ...and I love it when people come to a niche specific forum and drop these blog-turds...that pretentious jack-hole needed to be torn a new one in print. What a freaking tool !!! Get a clue dumb @ss. YOU DON'T COME ON EVO M AND DISS EVOS !!! IF YOU DON'T START NO SHT, THERE WON'T BE NO SHT !!!

BOTTOM LINE IS: ALL EVO's RULE!
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by giumela
All this speculation might be dissapointing when the Evo X will kick the $hI3t out of previous Evo models....
we can only hope so
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Design1stCode2n
From an outsider looking in current Evo’s and WRX STi’s are like an exclusive club. You have either chosen performance above all else (excluding style and refinement) or like the looks of the existing Evo’s (people bought Aztecs and buy xB’s and Elements so to each there own).

The existing style and refinement on Evo’s and STi’s appeals to a very core niche. I applaud you all who either don’t mind or sacrifice style and refinement for pure overall performance. Your dedication is impressive. Even though you love your Evo’s they are not conducive to even moderate sale volumes. Mitsubishi regardless of its rally heritage is a car company and their job is to sell cars. They can be commended so far in their ability stay the course and produce a fine machine purely for the enthusiast. That time is over.

Mitsubishi needs sales from all of its product lines including Evo’s. This means they must appeal to a wider audience. This way more will be able to experience it. Even if all current Evo owners never buy another Evo, this change in style will, IMO triple if not more, world wide sales as long as they price it competitively. I am still not convinced that priced at 40k people will by a Mitsubishi, I know I can not and would not. STi’s are around 33k or so, it is their most direct competitor, they need to remain somewhere in the ballpark of 33k.

Now of course if you are a true performance enthusiast the shape of the X will not matter so that coupled with new buyers will make this the most successful Evo ever (assuming they don’t screw it up of course, but then that was a given).
1. yes you are an 'outsider' so don't comment on things that you don't know about...It's an Evo thing...you just wouldn't understand.
2. What sacrifice? We chose to drive a real car....you chose to trade your cojones for the perception of 'comfort' and 'refinement'...I bet your car came with an emergency tampon...for those 'heavy days'
3. Mitsubishi 'needs' to appease their stock holders, wall street, and pink eunuch's like yourself....hence the 3rd gen eclipse and the upcoming 'evo ten'
4. If you were a "true performance enthusiast" I wouldn't need to clean up your verbal diarrhea....
5. ....save face, CTRL+ALT+DELETE, step away from the keyboard and log off now
6. ....oh yeah, DEV0LUTI0N baby!

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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by wakeupanddrive
I see what you're saying. Sounds like some of the hardcore fans will maybe wanna keep their current car and mod it. Let the posers and like the article says "sissy drivers that can’t drive but still want to be fast." get this new one. I hope they don't screw up the evo like they did the eclipse by trying to appeal to too big an audience. it's a niche car, mitsubishi should keep it that way.
+1
mitsu should keep it that way , but i dont it.
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by SterlingEvo
Think of all the misinformation that those magazines put out about the VIII before it came here. I don't take anything they say at face value. In other words, it's pure speculation. IMHO, there's no way they're going to make a whole new platform with only the power of the current Evo. Especially considering that most other brands are increasing their horsepower substantially with each new model.

oh yeah, I would call that a "preview", not a "review"...
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good points
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by EvoIXMR
Personally, I love electronics and all, but too much of it is teh suck. A perfect example is Mercedes and the AMG cars like the E55. Most magazines hate how intrusive it is. I biought the Evo IX coz I think its the last vehicle that captures the true essence of the Evo. An Econo pocket rocket - not meant to be upscale and classy. I think the X will put the Evo in a different class of vehicle....
not only different class, but a different gender 2. women will love an auto evo.
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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 10:51 PM
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Wow, sad statements indeed. Chalk up another one to peer pressure.

I guess I should count myself as being lucky, since I outgrew that kind of thought process in high school...

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Old Feb 1, 2006 | 11:01 PM
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Just a fact of the world we live in, it's not who you are it is who you are perceived to be.

Assume that you are 30 something or perhaps 40 something, hell even late 20 something. You have a corporate job, business admin, programmer, salesmen whatever. You pull up to a business function or pick up clients. What you drive says a world about who you are. What people will see with an Evo (admitedly wrong) is a suped up (they won't know riced) 4 banger with a giant wing on it. If you are in your 30s or later you just commited careeracide. If you are picking up clients you could well have lost your company business. Pull up in almost anything else, RX-8, 350z, IS 250 and no one will bat an eye.
2 words...."COMPANY CAR"

1. Do you only own 1 car? I have several at my disposal to choose from
2. How exactly would you pick up "clients" (more than 1) in a 350z??? I call shotgun
3. I wouldn't "pick up" clients in my "personal" vehicle anyway...they're not worthy

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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 05:58 PM
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it'll be a very sad day indeed when the evo is considered the more tame between it and the STi. luckily, i LIKE the new styling of the impreza.
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 06:13 PM
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Well well well. If what I am hearing about the next Evo is true.... they can keep it. Making the ride softer, no manual transmission, 40k price range. I bought my car because I wanted all out performance, I really did not care about ride quality all though build quality is lacking in the current Evo. I think MMC should stay true to the Evolution heritage. For the price the Evo is a bargain and it has been said over and over again. If they decide to price it at 40k the average joe like myself would not be able to afford to buy one. I was holding off on the Evo 9, just so i could see what the 10 would bring. it seems to me that I am going to have MY STRAIGHT 8 for a while.
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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 06:37 PM
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Design1stCode2n was the current thread getting to hot for you?
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...5&page=1&pp=15

Maybe because of some of these comments about Evo owners....



Originally Posted by Design1stCode2n
Just a fact of the world we live in, it's not who you are it is who you are perceived to be.

Assume that you are 30 something or perhaps 40 something, hell even late 20 something. You have a corporate job, business admin, programmer, salesmen whatever. You pull up to a business function or pick up clients. What you drive says a world about who you are. What people will see with an Evo (admitedly wrong) is a suped up (they won't know riced) 4 banger with a giant wing on it. If you are in your 30s or later you just commited careeracide. If you are picking up clients you could well have lost your company business. Pull up in almost anything else, RX-8, 350z, IS 250 and no one will bat an eye.


That may well be the case but most 1st impressions are lasting. I didn't say I agree with it just believe its the way a large portion of America thinks.

A good salesmen can sell anything and I'm sure after meeting you your clients could care less about what you drive. However if we clone you and put you in a BMW 330 and then you in your Evo, my money is on the clone with the 330 who will sell more at the end of the month.

It's like going to an interview with a polo or in a suit. Sometimes its just the credentials that matters but if everything is more or less equal they are taking the guy in the suit.

Just my opinion, and we know how the quote goes.

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Old Feb 2, 2006 | 06:42 PM
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i got the evo b/c i was tired of dumping thousands of dollars into my civic to make stand apart from other civics. with what i paid and put into my civic i had a more ideal platform with my evo. even stock evos will turn heads and just saying you own one makes you the envy of others. i think everyone can agree that owning an evo puts us in an elite niche that sets us apart from everyone else. its not like saying, "its not just another lancer, its an evolution". just by having one we put ourselves in a different class.

if i was that concerned about a softer ride and "babying" my evo, then my first 2k would have gone to a tein/edfc setup to have the option to make it shoft/stiff instead of opening it up, letting it breathe and be the car its claims to be. personally, i wouldnt mind having paddle shift. its different and something that would be interesting to learn. but i agree with most that shouldnt compromise what they have in the evo to settle for less. the car shouldnt be for everyone. ok i'm done now.
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