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From: MD
Originally Posted by MYEVOVIII
Design1stCode2n was the current thread getting to hot for you?
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...5&page=1&pp=15
Maybe because of some of these comments about Evo owners....
https://www.evolutionm.net/forums/sh...5&page=1&pp=15
Maybe because of some of these comments about Evo owners....
I made my points to my satisfaction. I saw no need to derail the thread further with more pointless text. But since you bring it up here:
It is like any other facet of life prior to something going mainstream. Those who were there before say we were here first long before all the noobs/posers/regular people whatever the "facet of life was" (band, genre whatever).
To the uneducated an Evo, WRX Sti and big wing on a civic with a fat pipe appear to be the same. They would be wrong but that is the image it presents.
Take an Evo, Sti and just slap a Scion Tc or Rx-8 or some other more contemporary body on it while changing nothing else and you would sell 5x as many Evos. That is not a concern to other Evo owers because you love the car you have and low volume makes you in a select crowd. From a company stand point its bad business. And bad business can only go on so long before it is either corrected or forces a chapter 11.
Demonstration of the S-AWC that Axel posted:
(click on "New Generation Technology", then "S-AWC") Check it out!
http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/s...ish/index.html
Absolutely beautiful to me, nice shape (not fantastic but nice) and performance higher than a IX. Except for the unknow cost it appears to be perfect, well, perfect for me.
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Originally Posted by bounce
Well all I can say is if they are looking for new customers, they will certainly find them with that new X. Personally I could never bring myself to part with $36k for the current EVO. Let me put this as gently as I can… The current EVO looks too much like a riced up cheapo econo box. Oh I know the performance is there, and I know all the parts are functional, so it’s not really rice. You see the problem is most normal people don’t know this. So when you’re proudly driving around town in your marvel of Japanese engineering, everyone around you is thinking, “look at that idiot in his riced up encono box”. Many of you are now thinking, “well I don’t care how others perceive me, as long as I’m happy”. But you will one day learn that this can be more important than you initially realized; both at work and at play. For this reason I would rather pay a little more and get an Audi S4, fast yet tastefully understated. The boy racer look is fine… If you’re a boy racer. I am not, so the look doesn’t suit me.
Those who disregarded these attributes and still purchased the current model car are relatively few. It’s a niche market. And these mean a limited market. The new car will draw from a wider pool of customers. It will range from those who will be saving every penny and need to work two jobs just to make the down payment, to those who have the cash just lying around and can buy it outright, and to everyone in between. It would be silly for Mitsu not to go after this much larger market.
One can understand the desire for the car to look more “Rally”. It is after all supposed to be based off a rally car. The hard thing is finding a way to accomplish that without going totally overboard.
That said, there is one thing that is certain, $36k is close to $40k out the door… For that kind of money the car should not only go like a $40k car, it should look like one also. The current car does not, the new car does. I know there are far more that agree with this statement than those that disagree. Perhaps not on this current generation owners forum, but Mitsu will have to move beyond this current niche market anyway, if they want to survive. Mitsu apparently knows this too.
Those who disregarded these attributes and still purchased the current model car are relatively few. It’s a niche market. And these mean a limited market. The new car will draw from a wider pool of customers. It will range from those who will be saving every penny and need to work two jobs just to make the down payment, to those who have the cash just lying around and can buy it outright, and to everyone in between. It would be silly for Mitsu not to go after this much larger market.
One can understand the desire for the car to look more “Rally”. It is after all supposed to be based off a rally car. The hard thing is finding a way to accomplish that without going totally overboard.
That said, there is one thing that is certain, $36k is close to $40k out the door… For that kind of money the car should not only go like a $40k car, it should look like one also. The current car does not, the new car does. I know there are far more that agree with this statement than those that disagree. Perhaps not on this current generation owners forum, but Mitsu will have to move beyond this current niche market anyway, if they want to survive. Mitsu apparently knows this too.
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From: Texas...panhandle...ugh
Originally Posted by Design1stCode2n
Just a fact of the world we live in, it's not who you are it is who you are perceived to be.
Assume that you are 30 something or perhaps 40 something, hell even late 20 something. You have a corporate job, business admin, programmer, salesmen whatever. You pull up to a business function or pick up clients. What you drive says a world about who you are. What people will see with an Evo (admitedly wrong) is a suped up (they won't know riced) 4 banger with a giant wing on it. If you are in your 30s or later you just commited careeracide. If you are picking up clients you could well have lost your company business. Pull up in almost anything else, RX-8, 350z, IS 250 and no one will bat an eye.
Assume that you are 30 something or perhaps 40 something, hell even late 20 something. You have a corporate job, business admin, programmer, salesmen whatever. You pull up to a business function or pick up clients. What you drive says a world about who you are. What people will see with an Evo (admitedly wrong) is a suped up (they won't know riced) 4 banger with a giant wing on it. If you are in your 30s or later you just commited careeracide. If you are picking up clients you could well have lost your company business. Pull up in almost anything else, RX-8, 350z, IS 250 and no one will bat an eye.
I'm a 40 year-old professional. I pull up in my Evo and my partners all think "that's ridiculous" because they all drive pickups. I live in Amarillo, where you just ain't a man less'n you got yerself a truuuck. I don't care.
Let'm think what they want...but we all get along great and they respect me for my professional performance. I don't need to do sales or impress someone with my car because, well, frankly...I was forward thinking enough to realize I'll be damned if I was going to be in a career where I had to kiss *** and constantly dress, act, speak, and pretend to be the person they wanted me to be. (don't ask what, exactly, I do...I'm not into discussing work on here so I'll decline to answer...and it's not really totally relevant to what I'm saying).Honestly, if you truly deeply accept yourself and have a festive attitude about life, everyone will shake their heads and accept you with open arms. Most of the Aussies have this one down to a "T".
(Alright, I don't personally have this one down to that extent and sometimes feel a bit silly about the wing...but I haven't cared enough to take it off)As for the new X...it'll be great. Some changes we'll hate, some we'll love. I really wish we'd be able to retrofit the SAYC system that's likely going to be on it...but I like the 4G63 for strength of tolerating mods. I don't know about an Aluminum block...lighter though. And the intercooler piping will be going further, I'd guess....so spool? (probably compensated by MIVEC etc). I hope the interior is a bit better. Certainly it can't get much worse. And if they don't put cruise control on it, I think they've completely ignored our biggest complaints. It'll be great anyway.
Last edited by MyCre8n=Evlshn; Feb 2, 2006 at 11:30 PM.
Originally Posted by Design1stCode2n
I made my points to my satisfaction. I saw no need to derail the thread further with more pointless text. But since you bring it up here:
It is like any other facet of life prior to something going mainstream. Those who were there before say we were here first long before all the noobs/posers/regular people whatever the "facet of life was" (band, genre whatever).
To the uneducated an Evo, WRX Sti and big wing on a civic with a fat pipe appear to be the same. They would be wrong but that is the image it presents.
It is like any other facet of life prior to something going mainstream. Those who were there before say we were here first long before all the noobs/posers/regular people whatever the "facet of life was" (band, genre whatever).
To the uneducated an Evo, WRX Sti and big wing on a civic with a fat pipe appear to be the same. They would be wrong but that is the image it presents.
Originally Posted by Design1stCode2n
Take an Evo, Sti and just slap a Scion Tc or Rx-8 or some other more contemporary body on it while changing nothing else and you would sell 5x as many Evos.
Originally Posted by Design1stCode2n
That is not a concern to other Evo owers because you love the car you have and low volume makes you in a select crowd. From a company stand point its bad business. And bad business can only go on so long before it is either corrected or forces a chapter 11.
Originally Posted by Happy Madison
design1st - pls stop posting. your inane speculation is getting really boring now.
Does he own an EVO? At any rate, you can't compare a TC or any SCION to an EVO...totally different market. An RX-8? Puhleeze. I won't even go there.
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Ok think of it this way existing Evo IX, same frame, structure, same everything and make it “look” like a Scion or Mazda 6 or friggin whatever, it would increase sales without changing the performance character of the car is all I am saying.
instead of being so obsessed with dreaming that the evo will become mainstream enough for you, why don't you realize that mitsubishi has a whole line of cars that're "mainstream" that can be reworked. that, simply, would make more sense business-wise than reworking the evo. one singular car that costs in the mid 30s is not a mainstream japanese car company's bread and butter. the evo is not a civic, which is meant to sell millions each year--the price alone is guarantee of that. simply by changing the body and suspension will not drastically affect the business intake of mitsubishi, so stop acting as though it would.
Does Mitsubishi have another 4 door AWD performance sedan in their lineup I missed?
I understand your point and you are absolutely right that the Evo is not a bread and butter car. Sell 50x more Evos and if nothing else is corporately changed will do nothing to save Mitsubishi. It needs to be a full turn around similar to what Nissan did a number of years ago and to some extent what DaimlerChrysler is doing now. If you are an executive you look across all of your models and ask “What can be done to improve our position in the market”. Much of that is redesigning and streamlining your entire business. This includes you top notch, niche Lancer Evolution line. 13,000 sales world-wide is very underwhelming for a car that every car magazine gives the highest praise to.
This isn’t a Ford GT, Viper, super car, etc. This is an affordable performance sedan which should sell at least 20-30k units/year in the U.S. alone. How many less practical two-seaters like the MX5, 350z etc are sold per year? A lot. The Evo has 4 doors and that means it’s no less practical space-wise than a Civic, Corolla, Sentra, etc. Ergo it should be more desirable and provide better profitability for Mitsubishi than it does now.
More money going into the coffers means more money to continue to improve the Evo and return to WRC.
The Evo doesn’t need to be reworked; it just needs a new set of clothes.
Originally Posted by hueman
instead of being so obsessed with dreaming that the evo will become mainstream enough for you, why don't you realize that mitsubishi has a whole line of cars that're "mainstream" that can be reworked. that, simply, would make more sense business-wise than reworking the evo. one singular car that costs in the mid 30s is not a mainstream japanese car company's bread and butter. the evo is not a civic, which is meant to sell millions each year--the price alone is guarantee of that. simply by changing the body and suspension will not drastically affect the business intake of mitsubishi, so stop acting as though it would.
I understand your point and you are absolutely right that the Evo is not a bread and butter car. Sell 50x more Evos and if nothing else is corporately changed will do nothing to save Mitsubishi. It needs to be a full turn around similar to what Nissan did a number of years ago and to some extent what DaimlerChrysler is doing now. If you are an executive you look across all of your models and ask “What can be done to improve our position in the market”. Much of that is redesigning and streamlining your entire business. This includes you top notch, niche Lancer Evolution line. 13,000 sales world-wide is very underwhelming for a car that every car magazine gives the highest praise to.
This isn’t a Ford GT, Viper, super car, etc. This is an affordable performance sedan which should sell at least 20-30k units/year in the U.S. alone. How many less practical two-seaters like the MX5, 350z etc are sold per year? A lot. The Evo has 4 doors and that means it’s no less practical space-wise than a Civic, Corolla, Sentra, etc. Ergo it should be more desirable and provide better profitability for Mitsubishi than it does now.
More money going into the coffers means more money to continue to improve the Evo and return to WRC.
The Evo doesn’t need to be reworked; it just needs a new set of clothes.
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lol.. Think some of you guys are getting way to worked about about this. I think the M3 is anything but a niche car, yet its a far superior automobile to the evo.. If they can deliver a fraction of the m3s refinement and keep everything else that is great about the evo then they have essential moved the car out of the ricer boy category. I think they are talking more about the styling of the car rather then the performance.. I definately expect this car to exceed the current IX performance by far.
Mitsubishi has "ruining a perfect platform" down to a science. Look at the third generation Eclipse: They increased sales (mostly to middle aged women) and sent performance car enthusiasts running in the opposite direction.
The 4G63 is old as dirt, but it still can kick the crap out of almost anything in its displacement level, and several things with more displacement. I'm not saying that it can't be replaced, but I think Mitsu should be really careful about where they go next.
This new car looks to completely have lost the pulse of a *****-to-the-wall tunable car.
-The manual transmission is being replaced with one of those SMG-wannabe devices.
-The engine is being rotated 180 degrees, meaning that the route to the FMIC will be much longer on the hot side (unless they go TMIC, which I'm _really_ hoping against)
The current car is raw, but its unapologetically focused on performance only. Making it cushy and manumatic will make it suck to an Evolution purist. I'm glad I got in while the getting was good!
The 4G63 is old as dirt, but it still can kick the crap out of almost anything in its displacement level, and several things with more displacement. I'm not saying that it can't be replaced, but I think Mitsu should be really careful about where they go next.
This new car looks to completely have lost the pulse of a *****-to-the-wall tunable car.
-The manual transmission is being replaced with one of those SMG-wannabe devices.
-The engine is being rotated 180 degrees, meaning that the route to the FMIC will be much longer on the hot side (unless they go TMIC, which I'm _really_ hoping against)
The current car is raw, but its unapologetically focused on performance only. Making it cushy and manumatic will make it suck to an Evolution purist. I'm glad I got in while the getting was good!
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Making the car more appealing to a wider demographic is a good idea. I'm more concerned about improving the cars appearence. The EVO is no looker unless you're a big fan of the Pontiac Sunbird. Throw a big wing on the back and I don't care what kind of performance it offers people still look and chuckle. Mitsubishi has an opportunity to give the car a wider appeal which would leave the STI looking uglier than ever.
Originally Posted by Kordwood
Making the car more appealing to a wider demographic is a good idea. I'm more concerned about improving the cars appearence. The EVO is no looker unless you're a big fan of the Pontiac Sunbird. Throw a big wing on the back and I don't care what kind of performance it offers people still look and chuckle. Mitsubishi has an opportunity to give the car a wider appeal which would leave the STI looking uglier than ever.
I'm pretty mixed on the EVO X's prospects. I love the milder design cues, the car looks much cleaner overall. Losing the 4g63 pretty much assures that I won't be switching from my VIII anytime soon until i see what long term reliablility looks like modded/unmodded with whatever parts bin motor they toss into the car.
A softened suspension, a slower steering rack, and potentially a part Hyundai developed world motor being at its core really bother me about this latest iteration.
A softened suspension, a slower steering rack, and potentially a part Hyundai developed world motor being at its core really bother me about this latest iteration.