anyone have pix of the ten?? i cant seem to find it

 

 

There is no way the halo EvoX will not have a dual-clutch system DSG. I just sold my 1997 Galant VR4-S, and it had an innovative Porsche designed INVECS-II sequential. It was satisfactory but not nearly as fast as standard.

Now, the current race-derived DSG on the market is already unbeatable in the 1/4 mile and circuit against its manual counterpart (ie. GTI DSG vs GTI 6-speed). Proof is in the video Best Motoring Vol. 26 - Racing Bonanza; there is a sizable segment in there dedicated to DSG and Tsuchiya's raves.

Hope this won't be a repost but here's a snip of this article about the DSG.

Drop the transmission in "S" for sport mode and you'll feel like you just swapped out the entire transmission with a complete race setup - the engineers that programmed this mode must really love to drive hard. The sport mode is still an "automatic" mode until you click one of the paddles. However it is very aggressive as it always tries to keep the car on boil between 4000 RPM and redline - imagine driving around like that all the time and you can see why it has its practical limits. Shifts are still VERY smooth between gears (almost too smooth in our opinion, but VW and Audi say they are looking into adjustments) and the transmission keeps the revs in the optimum power band. This setting is so hard core that it is really only useful for track events and driving on very twisty roads.

If you leave the transmission in "S" mode and don't touch the paddles, it will shift up and down through the gears automatically. At any time you can click the paddles and the transmission will assume you want to shift yourself from now on. And it will wait for your shifts - on the cars we drove you could bog it to death or run it clear into the redline and the DSG obeyed your command.

DSG is completely different from BMW's SMG and Ferrari's F1 system in that it has two clutches instead of one. This means that DSG can fire off an upshift in .008 seconds whereas BMW's SMG takes .8 seconds to make the same shift.

The transmission can even shift from 6th to 2nd gear without having to sequentially run down through every gear. In this case, DSG will switch input shafts from 6th gear going to 5th temporarily on input shaft 2 and then into 2nd with input shaft 1 while blipping the throttle to match revs - all in less than .9 seconds. Got that? Good.

 

with an auto option

 

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Thank you for the post. I'm agrreeing with you 100%. From what has been stated, there should be a tranny option to please both camps. I personally don't know what I'd go for. I dig a traditional manual, but I'm really intrigued by a DSG type 'box. It just sounds so cool, especially if it's robust enough for the occasional track day.

 

In the article that is linked it also says this, which freaks me out and I am all for technology progress, but this makes me wayne from the DSG type trans.

While you might be able to get away with minor power upgrades to a TT 3.2 or Golf R32 (intake, chip tuning, exhaust) equipped with DSG, electronic protections and a maximum torque rating of 240 lb-ft will make adding a forced induction system or any other heavy duty power upgrades extremely difficult to impossible. The DSG has what is referred to as micro-slippage in the clutch plates that is constantly monitored by the DSG ECU. If an aftermarket supercharger for example is added to the 3.2l VR6 with a DSG transmission, the additional torque will force that micro-slippage beyond normal tolerances. When this happens, the DSG communicates back to the engine ECU and dials back timing and/or engine revs to try and correct for the "problem" it is seeing.

 

I heard all the mitsu will be tiptronic or sports shift, well, besides the EVO's paddle

 

Most all of them are now. Sportronic is on all the V6 equipped vehicles. INVECS-II is the fuzzy logic system that changes shift points according to driving style, it is on every auto equipped car, sportronic or not. I did not realize Porsche helped design it. Maybe that was in return for the balance shaft technology they got from us.

 

The Audi A3 uses a DSG I may have to take a spin and see how it works. Manual, auto (tiptronic) and CVT are the only things I’ve used before.

 

Whens It Due Out?

 

You bring up a good point. I guess it all come down to how much "headroom" is designed into the hardware/software. A Veyron has DSG, but 1000hp was the requirement out of the box, so this will be an interesting issue. Maybe the folks who want to make big power will be opting for the standard 'box....
That's why I mentioned robustness in my previous post. On the track it seems like it could be an awesome tool, if it can handle it.

 

You're right the current DSGs are not upgradable. I hope Mitsu puts up to a 400 torque rated twin-clutch in the DSG. That would be sufficient to handle most applications. Why wouldn't they after-all if this gearbox and "evolution" of Evos were to succeed? Power tuners would probably still elect the standard though.

BUT, I was thinking... a solidly-built DSG would be a boon on circuits and tracks. On my INVECS gearbox I had the + and - shift directions reversely wired. So a bump up would be a downshift instead of an upshift. If you do this to a DSG, and elongate the shifter so it sits a lot higher (and maybe shorten its throw), it'd be comparable to racing in GT cars. That'd be kick-***.

 

Shoot, I hope the torque rating is higher than that! It would also help if the clutches were made out of carbon fiber. Then, it will last forever and if I abuse it a little there are no problems.

 

Go for it, it's awesome!