Something that stuck me funny the other day was how MMC would use the Ricardo transmissions in both the Works WRC car and also the the Pajero for the Dakar, but there was a quote that MMC liked the transmission in the Audi A3( ala paddle shift). Sooo, now (even though I started the thread) I'm really confused as to who is the correct company to research to find out actually build the dual dry clutch transmission. When I researched the Getrag site I found this statement.

...and when I research Ricardo I get this.

which isn't a whole lot.

 

Heres another black one although the wheels are gold. Someone make a white one?

 

holy ****, that is really hot. man, y did i trade in my 8 for a 9 when i could've gotten this. cant wait till this baby comes out.

 

More chops! I wanna see white with some black/bronze rims!

 

Mitsubishi is already using Getrag's products, like the Colt, which uses Allshift AMT, a 6-speed manual transmission using electric motors and a twin drum.
http://www.mitsubishi-cars.co.uk/features/amt.asp

 

Did anyone ever post this SRT chop? I like the wheels.

 

I agree the wheels are sick! If it was the caliber I almost like it better.

 

of course

 

+1 agreed. some people have different views. i like em stock. everything is already there, i mean the brembos to stop you, the recaros that hold you and those bilsteins to attack those corners, and the turbo that rockets you in the straights. personally, i think there is nothing wrong with the evos stock, and no the evo is not a tuner car, it is a rally car.

 

Ok I watched the video (Volume 26, Racing Bonanza), and here is the correct information from it:

Quoting directly “When there’s a chance of over-reving the engine, the DSG system does not shift down.” This is followed by video of the car going way wide through a turn for this exact reason. This is a deal breaker for me and I have found this exact problem on my test drive of the DSG, even set in sport mode. Multi-gear downshifts in general are annoying.

The faster lap times are actually made by the 6MT, NOT the DSG, probably for this same reason. The exact figures:

6MT: Fastest lap 1:13.48 Race (5 laps): 6:16.14
DSG: Fastest lap 1:13.72 Race (5 laps): 6:17.15

Note the 6MT beat the DSG in the race. Sadly both cars came in last.

In the straight line comparison test, the DSG was indeed faster:

0-200m (1/8 mile): 6MT 10.154 DSG 9.837
0-400m (1/4 mile): 6MT 15.495 DSG 15.078

This would appear at first to be a trouncing. HOWEVER, they readily admit to cheating on the launch on the DSG and turning the ESP off. If you watch the video, you can see the 6MT wasting 1st gear as the revs redline without the car really moving. That is why the difference at the 1/8 is the difference at the 1/4. But even equal power and speed would be impressive. HOWEVER, once you examine the power and torque to weight ratios listed:

P.W.R. DSG 7.30 6MT 7.20
T.W.R. DSG 51.05 6MT 50.35

You clearly see the 6MT is only lighter by a (calculated by me) 50 pounds. They don’t go into the options for the tested cars but something is fishy as the US DSG car weighs in 120 pounds heavier than the US 5 spd. If you did the same test with the US spec cars, and actually knew how to launch, the DSG would likely lose.

I would strongly caution anyone who thinks the production DSG transmissions are ANYTHING like the race transmissions talked about in the above post. It simply is a gross and blatant inaccuracy.

 

In regards to the post by SWOLN:

I think the Ricardo unit is a dual wet clutch. I know this doesn't really help clarify the issue much, for what it's worth.....

Of course, I can't remeber a source for this info, so I could be wrong.

 

Your numbers are correct but they are twisted around to prove your opinion and that's unfortunate. The only fair way to compare 2 similar cars is by having the same driver behind the wheels, your numbers come from 2 different drivers with Tsuchiya driving the 6MT and Hattori driving the DSG.

Let's now see what the real numbers are after the same driver (Tsuchiya) drives both cars:

Battle mode Hattori lost because he braked too late into a corner and did not shift down after he already overtook Tsuchiya's 6MT. It was a driver mistake, as admitted by Hattori after the battle. Now, when Tsuchiya drives both cars in the time attack on the same Tsukuba circuit the DSG gets a faster lap than the 6MT (no driver errors).

And after the fastest times are made with Tsuchiya driving both the 6MT and DSG in the 1/4 the times are below (DrSmile look at the time table, not the battle with different drivers)
GTI DSG------14.747
GTI 6MT-------15.495

The DSG is heavier by 44 lbs. The US spec is heavier because of the bumper beams and other weight added probably from safety laws.
And about the ESP, you call turning OFF car's electronic traction/stability controls when they are at the track cheating??

Like I said before, driver preference is everything and is inarguable. But it seems like you are still trying your best to discredit the DSG even when it's already proven to be faster and the technology behind it proven in motorsports for the past 21 years. What's next?

 

I'll let you have the last word, I think my post is accurate.

 

I'm planning on buying an evo in about 4 years or so once I have some good car experience and some more money. I do know that if it does not offer a manual transmission I will not buy it. Regardless of how much faster this new shifting technology is (I've driven a bmw with it and although impressive i got bored driving it in about 10 seconds). I'm not going to buy an evo because I think I'm going to tear up the tracks, I just want one for awesome it is going to be to drive it. I realize everyone is different and mitsu will do whats best for the masses but i want to have fun when i drive my car, and numbers aren't everything, so they better stick with the stick or i'll go to subaru.

 

It's not that I don't believe you, but I read an article in "Car and Driver," that suggests that Mitsu may be dropping the Evo name for the Concept X. They may be off, and I hope they are. Has anyone else heard this?